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Old 3rd Oct 2012, 04:26
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Griffo, numerous press reporters interviewing police, said that the police stated that they had credible witnesses for the sighting near Bella Creek Rd.

It's all over the media now ...

Wreckage of missing vintage plane found near Lake Borumba, west of Imbil | thetelegraph.com.au

VH-XXX - Your co-ordinates appear to show a tree plantation at that location?

mcoates - Yes, and I'd guess it's highly likely Des knew of that airfield location, and was trying to find it?

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Old 3rd Oct 2012, 04:46
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ABC Radio (720 PH) says report 'just in' - reporting wreckage sighted on the banks of Borumba Dam by a 'charter acft' engaged in the search - said to be a 'high impact crash'....

That is all so far....

Thankyou Onetrack...

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Old 3rd Oct 2012, 04:46
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AERIAL SEARCH LOCATES MISSING AIRCRAFT IN SOUTH-EAST QUEENSLAND
The search for a missing aircraft in south-east Queensland has been suspended following the
confirmed sighting of the wreckage this afternoon.
An AGL Action rescue helicopter sighted the red biplane north of Borumba Dam before 2pm.
The search team has confirmed there are no survivors.
Queensland Police are on the scene and continuing further investigations.
The Australian Maritime Safety Authority would like to thank those involved in the search and
members of the public for their input.
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Courier Mail is reporting a tragic end:

No survivors in crash of missing vintage plane found near Lake Borumba, west of Imbil | The Courier-Mail
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Terrible News

Terrible news, there are no survivors

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Old 3rd Oct 2012, 05:19
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Here's an aerial view of the region. Fearful country to traverse, flying VFR into IMC. This pic was taken on a good day, no doubt.

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Kudos to the SAR men and women who have worked long, difficult and largely thankless hours. It's sad that the eventual find is so grim, but at least they were found, thanks to the unstinting efforts of many people.
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Old 3rd Oct 2012, 05:27
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The aircraft crash site was initially located using mobile phone technology - one of the mobiles on board was still operating - and then a helicopter crewman sighted the wreckage this afternoon.
Interesting.

So much for the non-GPS ELT.
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More than likely technology on the AMSA Dorniers. Both were in the area today.
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All the evidence currently available would appear to point to an "avoidable" accident!
FTDK - Aren't nearly all aircraft crashes avoidable? There but for the grace of God, go most of us. We've all made bad judgement calls, and some of us have survived by more arse than class, and some of us haven't.
Des obviously made some bad judgement calls, we'll never know what was driving him, to press on in deteriorating WX conditions.
One thing is for sure - only those who know WX conditions very well, and study developing WX intensely, between departure and destination, are the ones who are most likely to survive and avoid trouble.
The important thing is to drop all other priorities, no matter how important, and land quickly when you run into conditions which exceed you and your aircrafts capabilities.
All too often, pressing engagements, tight schedules, and other daily demands assume a priority over the major priority - that of reaching your destination safely, in one piece.

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The mobile tracking would have had to have come from the telco, the Dorniers would not be capable of tracking a non discrete digital emission and then triangulating it.
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Old 3rd Oct 2012, 05:36
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Mr Porter(RIP) donated a lot of his flights to RFDS, a word of appreciation from them would not be remiss
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Old 3rd Oct 2012, 05:38
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FTDK:
Your insensitivity is appalling - show some respect for our fellow aviator. How about a first reaction of condolences to those involved rather than your smug judgement & smiley icon?
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Old 3rd Oct 2012, 05:46
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I've said this before...

There are 4 types of pilots
1. those that heed advice of not pressing on beyond their ability,
2. those that do press on and, more though luck than good management, survive to tell the tail and learn from their mistake
3. those that do press on and don't survive,
4. those that are yet to wind up being in a position that will define them in one of the first 3 categories!

I'm definitely a "2", and unfortunately I've known too many "3"s in my time.

A tragic end.

Condolences to all involved.

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Old 3rd Oct 2012, 05:59
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In FTDK's defence, he did already give his condolences in an earlier post that was removed.

But yes a sad time for the industry as a whole. Thoughts are with the families of all on board
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Old 3rd Oct 2012, 06:03
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Black hand

What about the pax?
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Old 3rd Oct 2012, 06:06
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No survivors in crash of missing vintage plane found near Lake Borumba, west of Imbil | News.com.au

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Old 3rd Oct 2012, 06:14
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Vale Des Porter

RIP mate, it was a privilege to know you.

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Old 3rd Oct 2012, 06:39
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What a very sad outcome. I didn't know Des but I've seen his plane before. He'd clearly touched a lot of people with his goodness and to all those people that are feeling so low right now, I guess we'd all do well to remember him for all that he was and be thankful to have had someone so passionate about aviation in our experience. The Des Porter's of this world bring colour and life to many, many people. Think of all those kids that that would have marvelled at that beautiful red Dragon. And all those older people whose hearts would have been warmed by the appearance of something so special from a bygone era. That he took an aircraft that had been associated with such family tragedy and turned it into a wonderful sight we've all been able to enjoy all these years is a testament to his determination to remember his father and his brother who perished in the crash in 1954.

I'm sure he, his wife and his best friends that have perished will be sorely missed.

Good work to the hundreds of people involved in the search. It was always going to be unlikely they'd be found alive and well; but at least they were found and this hasn't gone on for years like the NZ incident mentioned above or the Cessna VH-MDX that disappeared near the Barrington Tops in 1981 and has never been found.

I think what Slackie writes below is very true and I've had experience with his number 2 scenario as well. I personally think we all (us, CASA, AOPA, the industry) need to do so much more work on helping pilots strategise around making plans that involve taking passengers on cross-country trips over high ground VFR. I believe there's just so much more skill required on the whole about setting up fall-back options and briefing your passengers in advance that you may need to cancel a flight altogether and get them back days late (or that they may have to make their own way home on occasions). I can imagine some of the ways this trip up to Monto would have played out and some of the pressures Des would have been under, which on a beautiful day, wouldn't have been an issue, but on this day potentially added to this accident.

My deepest condolences to all the families impacted and people in the aviation community that knew Des and his wife well.

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Old 3rd Oct 2012, 07:16
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The mobile tracking would have had to have come from the telco, the Dorniers would not be capable of tracking a non discrete digital emission and then triangulating it.
Indeed, telco technician jet'd in yesterday afternoon. Nothing to do with the Dornier.
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Old 3rd Oct 2012, 08:36
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I only mention this for the inexperienced (or foolhardy) please dont flame me...add your tips if you wish

In your toolbox, if (heaven forbid) you ever get yourself in this position (in cloud, in a VFR aircraft, scared and disoriented) where your immediate future looks like a loss of control and a high speed spiral into the ground;

1. Select throttles to idle.
2. Slowly trim full nose up.
3. Let go of the yolk.
4. Keep a constant heading with your feet - the rudder.

And pray the you get visual before you hit the trees. Practice it at height in your light aircraft in VMC.

I see a compass in his cockpit another solution would have been to DR east to the ocean and let down slowly and carefully.

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