Air NZ to interview again?
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Any truth to the rumour that all yes letters are being re-interviewed over
the next few months?
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I hold an ATPL with 4000 Multi IF Turbine, but understand because I didn't get U.E years ago I wouldn't get a look in at ANZ, heard this through a fellow pilot a month ago who was told to go off and get U.E and they would consider him. He is in his late 30's and has 4500 hours Multi IF, and obviously isn't going to.
Over the years I have flown with many guys in the same situation, many like me have a great jobs, and without U.E. and seem to have the intelligence to learn what is required to fly an aeroplane. One would think ATPL subjects would be an indication of some intellectual ability.
I think you ANZ are missing out on experienced guys due to their HR nonsense of requiring guys to tick boxes in education that really have no relevance to learning what is involved in flying an aeroplane.
I'm not sour as I'm very happy where I am, but when I heard this story I couldn't believe it.
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Over the years I have flown with many guys in the same situation, many like me have a great jobs, and without U.E. and seem to have the intelligence to learn what is required to fly an aeroplane. One would think ATPL subjects would be an indication of some intellectual ability.
I think you ANZ are missing out on experienced guys due to their HR nonsense of requiring guys to tick boxes in education that really have no relevance to learning what is involved in flying an aeroplane.
I'm not sour as I'm very happy where I am, but when I heard this story I couldn't believe it.
Cheers
Candidates should have a secondary school qualification to enter university or equivalent as determined by the NZ Qualifications Authority. Please refer to Chart 1 below in regards equivalence for Cambridge or International Baccalaureate educational standards.
Candidates who do not hold UE but who have attained all 7 NZCAA ATPL exam credits will also be considered to have met the 'equivalence' standard, providing they have achieved the minimum numeracy and literacy standards required for UE. The ATPL equivalence is subject to the pass/fail conditions described in Chart 2 below.
Candidates who have not achieved the education standards listed above, will be required to undergo AirNZ Equivalence testing, prior to being granted an interview, as an alternative means of demonstrating required levels of cognitive ability. Candidate may be required to sit further testing onsite at an assessment board.
Additionally, applicants who do not meet either of the defined UE or ATPL standards but who have completed a Degree course (either extramurally or as a mature student) are deemed satisfactory subject to their having met the numeracy and literacy standards which are required for UE.
Candidates who do not hold UE but who have attained all 7 NZCAA ATPL exam credits will also be considered to have met the 'equivalence' standard, providing they have achieved the minimum numeracy and literacy standards required for UE. The ATPL equivalence is subject to the pass/fail conditions described in Chart 2 below.
Candidates who have not achieved the education standards listed above, will be required to undergo AirNZ Equivalence testing, prior to being granted an interview, as an alternative means of demonstrating required levels of cognitive ability. Candidate may be required to sit further testing onsite at an assessment board.
Additionally, applicants who do not meet either of the defined UE or ATPL standards but who have completed a Degree course (either extramurally or as a mature student) are deemed satisfactory subject to their having met the numeracy and literacy standards which are required for UE.
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Just remember guys that even with a lot of hiring at ANZ over the next couple of years there will still be more applicants than jobs.
Those that complain about certain requirements need to think about how they are going to differentiate themselves from every other pilot out there.
Not picking on you Woolly but you're not the only one with 4000 multi IF turbine. That being so what makes you any different than the others? Pilots need to recognise that its not just about hours or having an ATPL. Do something that makes you stand out from the crowd.
Yousef - as discussed many times in threads on here you could easily be an SO for 10 years. The airline industry is cyclical, at some point in a 30-40 year career you will have a slow patch, maybe at the start, maybe in the middle. IF that worries you then airlines may not be for you. If you cant manage a few years of sitting in the jumpseat then Im not sure what you expect to get out of airline flying as sitting in the front two seats isn't much different.
Those that complain about certain requirements need to think about how they are going to differentiate themselves from every other pilot out there.
Not picking on you Woolly but you're not the only one with 4000 multi IF turbine. That being so what makes you any different than the others? Pilots need to recognise that its not just about hours or having an ATPL. Do something that makes you stand out from the crowd.
Yousef - as discussed many times in threads on here you could easily be an SO for 10 years. The airline industry is cyclical, at some point in a 30-40 year career you will have a slow patch, maybe at the start, maybe in the middle. IF that worries you then airlines may not be for you. If you cant manage a few years of sitting in the jumpseat then Im not sure what you expect to get out of airline flying as sitting in the front two seats isn't much different.
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Yousef - as ben alludes to, you'll be on long haul for exactly the same length of time as you are an SO. You can swap SO for long haul in my previous comment to get the same answer.
You will maybe have 5-7 years on the Bus as an FO before moving back to long haul. As the Bus is the only aircraft out of a current fleet of 4 types that you may ever see Air NZ may not be for you if you don't want long haul.
You will maybe have 5-7 years on the Bus as an FO before moving back to long haul. As the Bus is the only aircraft out of a current fleet of 4 types that you may ever see Air NZ may not be for you if you don't want long haul.
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blah blah blah,
You might have that the wrong way around. If by bus, you mean A320. Most people are currently doing 8-9 years as S/O before becoming an A320 F/O. Previously there was the option of 737 FO as an entry level position, or a jump sideways from SO, but with the 737 exiting the fleet soon, that option is all but gone. However, in the past, people have got 737 commands, and 767 FO jobs in as little as 3 years from joining. As mentioned above, there are slow patches, and fast patches. Air NZ's slow patches are worse than others though. There are a lot of A320's due in the next few years, as well as a few 787's coming so fingers crossed this is the start of an upswing.
You might have that the wrong way around. If by bus, you mean A320. Most people are currently doing 8-9 years as S/O before becoming an A320 F/O. Previously there was the option of 737 FO as an entry level position, or a jump sideways from SO, but with the 737 exiting the fleet soon, that option is all but gone. However, in the past, people have got 737 commands, and 767 FO jobs in as little as 3 years from joining. As mentioned above, there are slow patches, and fast patches. Air NZ's slow patches are worse than others though. There are a lot of A320's due in the next few years, as well as a few 787's coming so fingers crossed this is the start of an upswing.
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Cheers Offcut, aware of the situation.
Current guys are likely to do a lot less than 8-9 years as an SO. While there is going to be a big pick up in the next couple of years I think that that will simply speed some guys through to the Bus, where they may well sit as things go back to the traditional progression rates.
737 is all but irrelevant now as, even though there will be the odd new hire course, effectively anyone being hired now wont ever get to fly it.
The way I see it at the moment is to have approximately 3-5 years as an SO, then on to the Bus for 5-7 years. Assuming things go as planned.
I flew with a guy the other day that took 3 years to get to 767 FO. That cant happen anymore because there is the Bus in the mix.
My point in the previous post was simply that someone who doesnt want to do long haul is not going to be happy. Currently they may get onto the Bus relatively quickly, but in somewhere around 5-7 years they will be looking at going back to long haul. How long then to get back to the Bus? 767 and 777 FO slots to fill before a Bus command. 10 years?
Current guys are likely to do a lot less than 8-9 years as an SO. While there is going to be a big pick up in the next couple of years I think that that will simply speed some guys through to the Bus, where they may well sit as things go back to the traditional progression rates.
737 is all but irrelevant now as, even though there will be the odd new hire course, effectively anyone being hired now wont ever get to fly it.
The way I see it at the moment is to have approximately 3-5 years as an SO, then on to the Bus for 5-7 years. Assuming things go as planned.
I flew with a guy the other day that took 3 years to get to 767 FO. That cant happen anymore because there is the Bus in the mix.
My point in the previous post was simply that someone who doesnt want to do long haul is not going to be happy. Currently they may get onto the Bus relatively quickly, but in somewhere around 5-7 years they will be looking at going back to long haul. How long then to get back to the Bus? 767 and 777 FO slots to fill before a Bus command. 10 years?
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Cant see them getting 748s. Now if only they could get some 772 slots...
My guess is that the 76 will live for a surprisingly long time. And who would bet on when the last couple of 74s will go? Not me, could be years.
My guess is that the 76 will live for a surprisingly long time. And who would bet on when the last couple of 74s will go? Not me, could be years.
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My guess is that the 76 will live for a surprisingly long time. And who would bet on when the last couple of 74s will go? Not me, could be years.
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Jeez, are they still running courses for the 74?!
As an expact Kiwi, I would have preferred to have stayed and taken whatever Uncle Koru handed out before departing offshore, as lifestyle was more important, and all I ever wanted to do was fly for them...opportunity wasn't there (nil hiring) and a slot had my name on it overseas.
Standing in the United briefing office in LHR several years ago, if was just bloody embarassing when the Air NZ crew burst in and made dicks of themselves with how bloody marvelous they were and how we could all relax now they were here... SO was given the job of briefing, FO looked like he was too bored to case and the capt was a loud obnoxious prat. My crew looked at me, as if to say 'do you know these guys?'. Luckily I didn't..
They looked very much like they thought they were the big fish...though I don't think they reaslised just how big the pond is. Moral of the story is, while Air NZ is the best game in town, it ain't necessarily the best game.
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As an expact Kiwi, I would have preferred to have stayed and taken whatever Uncle Koru handed out before departing offshore, as lifestyle was more important, and all I ever wanted to do was fly for them...opportunity wasn't there (nil hiring) and a slot had my name on it overseas.
Standing in the United briefing office in LHR several years ago, if was just bloody embarassing when the Air NZ crew burst in and made dicks of themselves with how bloody marvelous they were and how we could all relax now they were here... SO was given the job of briefing, FO looked like he was too bored to case and the capt was a loud obnoxious prat. My crew looked at me, as if to say 'do you know these guys?'. Luckily I didn't..
They looked very much like they thought they were the big fish...though I don't think they reaslised just how big the pond is. Moral of the story is, while Air NZ is the best game in town, it ain't necessarily the best game.
TM
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Blah blah blah: agreed.
The disappointing factor was just that they were effectively representing my country in front of my fellow crew-members and had obviously had the humility bone nullified by a massive dose of over-familiarity or over-confidence.
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The disappointing factor was just that they were effectively representing my country in front of my fellow crew-members and had obviously had the humility bone nullified by a massive dose of over-familiarity or over-confidence.
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