FAST test, maybe we all have a problem?
This one is close to the bone for me having worked in depth with drug and alcohol dependent people.
Type in "is AA for you australia" into
google and answer the questions. Be honest..
I like to sink the boot into CASA, but alcohol is a very serious and expensive problem in this country and seeing as we are involved in a safety based industry why not try and make sure the people are healthy. .
Alcohol and its peripheral effects are responsible for a huge number of accidents and long term health issues.
Why not address it through the medium of a medical? Sure if people are victimized then it is no good, but monitoring a person doesn't fall into that category . I assume the monitoring is due to a problem that has shown up medically?
Most people who have a problem with alcohol don't see it that way, or can't face up to it..
Type in "is AA for you australia" into
google and answer the questions. Be honest..
I like to sink the boot into CASA, but alcohol is a very serious and expensive problem in this country and seeing as we are involved in a safety based industry why not try and make sure the people are healthy. .
Alcohol and its peripheral effects are responsible for a huge number of accidents and long term health issues.
Why not address it through the medium of a medical? Sure if people are victimized then it is no good, but monitoring a person doesn't fall into that category . I assume the monitoring is due to a problem that has shown up medically?
Most people who have a problem with alcohol don't see it that way, or can't face up to it..
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Good point Spotlight....
I never thought of it in that light. Strange though, I could've sworn I put a post on this thread about something but then maybe I thought I did but I really didn't or maybe I just forgot I did. This phenomenon has happened to me before, I'm sure of it!
I guess then if I answer no the majority of the DAME questions I can do so citing the defence that I can't remember what I did yesterday, let alone last year!!! (lol!!!)
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I never thought of it in that light. Strange though, I could've sworn I put a post on this thread about something but then maybe I thought I did but I really didn't or maybe I just forgot I did. This phenomenon has happened to me before, I'm sure of it!
I guess then if I answer no the majority of the DAME questions I can do so citing the defence that I can't remember what I did yesterday, let alone last year!!! (lol!!!)
Stiky
What I love about this is that people are very quickly going to learn to 'adjust' the results so that you don't have to do the extra checks. What a waste of time 
I had over 6 beers last night watching the telly, I have decided though that it was on two separate occasions as there were 3 before dinner and 3 after
Homesick-Angel - you say that alcohol is responsible for many accidents, can you name a single RPT accident or incident that is directly attributable to alcohol. This is what drives me insane about CASA, they are not going to effectively regulate alcohol consumption by using this test that relies on the alcoholic to dob themselves in. They should be carrying out more random breath tests, not the rediculous testing regime that they have at the moment, I have been breath tested twice in the last two months, BOTH times we on turnarounds after operating into Brisbane and Sydney!! I asked the tester what the point of testing arriving pilots was as unless I had been drinking on the flight (both over 4 hours) chances of me being over the limit are not great. On the second occasion she said that she had a quota to make and catching inbound flights was easier than inconveniencing crew signing on for work
I had over 6 beers last night watching the telly, I have decided though that it was on two separate occasions as there were 3 before dinner and 3 after
Homesick-Angel - you say that alcohol is responsible for many accidents, can you name a single RPT accident or incident that is directly attributable to alcohol. This is what drives me insane about CASA, they are not going to effectively regulate alcohol consumption by using this test that relies on the alcoholic to dob themselves in. They should be carrying out more random breath tests, not the rediculous testing regime that they have at the moment, I have been breath tested twice in the last two months, BOTH times we on turnarounds after operating into Brisbane and Sydney!! I asked the tester what the point of testing arriving pilots was as unless I had been drinking on the flight (both over 4 hours) chances of me being over the limit are not great. On the second occasion she said that she had a quota to make and catching inbound flights was easier than inconveniencing crew signing on for work
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Alcohol and its peripheral effects are responsible for a huge number of
accidents and long term health issues. Why not address it through the medium of a medical? Sure if people are victimized then it is no good, but monitoring a person doesn't fall into that category. I assume the monitoring is due to a problem that has shown up medically? Most people who have a problem with alcohol don't see it that way, or can't face up to it..
accidents and long term health issues. Why not address it through the medium of a medical? Sure if people are victimized then it is no good, but monitoring a person doesn't fall into that category. I assume the monitoring is due to a problem that has shown up medically? Most people who have a problem with alcohol don't see it that way, or can't face up to it..
Getting someone to 'dob themself in' wont work, they wont do it, most of them hide their 'problem' very well. This stupid policy is once again window dressing, being seen to be doing something rather than actually doing something. How many studies did it take? How much money was spent to come up with this ridiculous questionaire? Did they do a statistical analysis on how many people were going to bullsh!t on the answers? I'll bet they did on that last question but it was more important to them to be 'seen' to do something rather than actual solutions to the real problem.
Some people can have 20 beers in a session and not have a drinking problem, some can have 2 and have a problem.
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I think we are drifting a lil here. Seems to be tending towards the 'fit for duty line'.
If we go back to page one, and the original poster put down the results of his 'questionaire' and the extra testing now called for.
I agree that its a turd of a questionaire, but the resulting tests, and now the public knowledge of them, has probably made us all a little more aware of the affects on our health beyond the hang over (if you get them).
Its a good oppurtunity to assess these things, maybe visit your GP if you think you may have an alcohol related problem. Maybe an effect of the booze was something you didn't know before.
It might be CASA's way of trying to educate us, funny way to go about it I know......maybe they should back it up with a $10m mailout
If we go back to page one, and the original poster put down the results of his 'questionaire' and the extra testing now called for.
I agree that its a turd of a questionaire, but the resulting tests, and now the public knowledge of them, has probably made us all a little more aware of the affects on our health beyond the hang over (if you get them).
Its a good oppurtunity to assess these things, maybe visit your GP if you think you may have an alcohol related problem. Maybe an effect of the booze was something you didn't know before.
It might be CASA's way of trying to educate us, funny way to go about it I know......maybe they should back it up with a $10m mailout
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Problem drinkers - and to be honest, if you did answer anything except "never" to the first question, then the AMA would define you as one and so would I - suffer from associated health complaints relating to kidney and liver function, as well as poor blood oxygenation.
It sounds as though the tests ordered are intended to scan for those things.
I don't see a problem.
If it's truly invasive, then lie, and know that at some point in the future a CASA inspector on a bad day will look at your Facebook profile pictures or photos of your bucks night, cross-check them against your questionnaire answers, and inform you you've committed a serious offence by making a false statement that could disqualify you from being a "fit and proper" person to hold an aircrew licence (and would certainly imperil your employment).
Your chosen course of action is one that you, as a rational adult, can probably decide yourself with no need for advice from the internet
It sounds as though the tests ordered are intended to scan for those things.
I don't see a problem.
If it's truly invasive, then lie, and know that at some point in the future a CASA inspector on a bad day will look at your Facebook profile pictures or photos of your bucks night, cross-check them against your questionnaire answers, and inform you you've committed a serious offence by making a false statement that could disqualify you from being a "fit and proper" person to hold an aircrew licence (and would certainly imperil your employment).
Your chosen course of action is one that you, as a rational adult, can probably decide yourself with no need for advice from the internet
