Gillards Carbon Tax and effect on Aviation fuel
most are true believers
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He still is as far as i know..
"...if a significant and credible body of scientific research keeps indicating that we face potential calamity, then I believe it is sensible to take that advice..." (Via the book, Dick Smiths Population Crisis)
...although, ah is wondering if perhaps Dick Smith gets a bit ruefull re-reading his chapter heading "Risky business - Climate change and population"
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via Lodown;
That the same Dick Smith in full support of global warming some years ago?
That the same Dick Smith in full support of global warming some years ago?
"...if a significant and credible body of scientific research keeps indicating that we face potential calamity, then I believe it is sensible to take that advice..." (Via the book, Dick Smiths Population Crisis)
...although, ah is wondering if perhaps Dick Smith gets a bit ruefull re-reading his chapter heading "Risky business - Climate change and population"
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Climate change is backed by more than twenty years of peer-reviewed scientific and academic research. Climate change and global warming are real and governments are being way too slow moving to deal with it.
Arguing with climate change skeptics is like trying to be rational with UFO spotters, and I suspect both groups share the same anti-psychotic medication.
Arguing with climate change skeptics is like trying to be rational with UFO spotters, and I suspect both groups share the same anti-psychotic medication.
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Pete please sit back and watch as your "we're all doomed - doomed I say" fetish gets dumped on the same pile as every other doomsayer scenario going all the way back to when we lived in caves and were afraid of the dark.
The world can no longer afford this left/greeny imposed self flagellation - even if it was a real problem which it is NOT. The world may well net warm a little over the next 100 years and there will be cooling phases too...just like the 20th century and every century before that.
There are only two possible scenarios facing Labor/Greens - a bit of a drubbing at the next federal election or total political annihilation for a generation or two. The Greens will be wiped out for ever even if it takes a double dissolution.
In either case LNP will be in power - they will dump the carbon dioxide tax AND their own silly policy AND will do what 'Can Do' is doing in QLD - dismantling the left/greeny bureaucracy.
Howard lost govt because after 12 years he took that one ideological step to the right too far for the Australian people. Krudd was just pure incompetence and Brown/Gilliard were trying to drag the Australian people 4 steps too far to the left right out of the gate - Milne is just out of her tree, looney tunes far left.
The Australian people are VERY angry.
Bank on it.
The world can no longer afford this left/greeny imposed self flagellation - even if it was a real problem which it is NOT. The world may well net warm a little over the next 100 years and there will be cooling phases too...just like the 20th century and every century before that.
There are only two possible scenarios facing Labor/Greens - a bit of a drubbing at the next federal election or total political annihilation for a generation or two. The Greens will be wiped out for ever even if it takes a double dissolution.
In either case LNP will be in power - they will dump the carbon dioxide tax AND their own silly policy AND will do what 'Can Do' is doing in QLD - dismantling the left/greeny bureaucracy.
Howard lost govt because after 12 years he took that one ideological step to the right too far for the Australian people. Krudd was just pure incompetence and Brown/Gilliard were trying to drag the Australian people 4 steps too far to the left right out of the gate - Milne is just out of her tree, looney tunes far left.
The Australian people are VERY angry.
Bank on it.
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This thread is a waste of bandwidth, hijacked by global warming alarmists, (not sceptics), and simply repetitive. Avags will go up, not down, as a result of this stupid tax which will do nothing but burden aviation in Australia with another problem they don't need and do nothing to halt the imagined devastation of our planet.
It should be shut down for the sake of everybody's sanity.
Yes..... the Australian people are very angry as will be displayed at the next elections.
It should be shut down for the sake of everybody's sanity.
Yes..... the Australian people are very angry as will be displayed at the next elections.
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Frank Arouet, this is a forum for discusion. Let the pro AGW crew put their case..
An interesting comment from the book Dick Smiths Population Crisis
"...I do have respect for those people who are not so locked into a fixed position that they cannot alter their views once the evidence suggests they are wrong..."
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via Frank Arouet;
...and simply repetitive...
...and simply repetitive...
An interesting comment from the book Dick Smiths Population Crisis
"...I do have respect for those people who are not so locked into a fixed position that they cannot alter their views once the evidence suggests they are wrong..."
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Pete, here's a climate model projection. The temperature is currently UNDER the projection (and has been for quite some time) for "CO2 emissions reduced to zero impact by 2000". We should, according to the alarmists, be up above or near the line for "business as usual". The models are a huge FAIL. The alarmists only had a few things to hang their hats on as proof of global warming:
1. CO2 being a greenhouse gas (Far, far outperformed in the greenhouse gas Olympics by water vapour. Water vapour has finished the 100m and CO2 has fallen just out of the blocks.);
2. indications that the world was warming;
3. alarming model projections;
4. the hockey stick.
Responses:
1. So?
2. Something to watch if man's fingerprint becomes apparent.
3. BS!
4. More BS!
Pete, here's a climate model projection. The temperature is currently UNDER the projection (and has been for quite some time) for "CO2 emissions reduced to zero impact by 2000". We should, according to the alarmists, be up above or near the line for "business as usual". The models are a huge FAIL. The alarmists only had a few things to hang their hats on as proof of global warming:
1. CO2 being a greenhouse gas (Far, far outperformed in the greenhouse gas Olympics by water vapour. Water vapour has finished the 100m and CO2 has fallen just out of the blocks.);
2. indications that the world was warming;
3. alarming model projections;
4. the hockey stick.
Responses:
1. So?
2. Something to watch if man's fingerprint becomes apparent.
3. BS!
4. More BS!
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Hey Pete
Like governments can fix climate change
Just like they can fix unemployment, world poverty, Greece's debt problem, and a flat tyre................no hope, so give up relying on governments to fix your perceived problem.
Look up to the sun god and pray. It's your best bet
Climate change and global warming are real and governments are being way too slow moving to deal with it.
Just like they can fix unemployment, world poverty, Greece's debt problem, and a flat tyre................no hope, so give up relying on governments to fix your perceived problem.
Look up to the sun god and pray. It's your best bet
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That there is THE Post of The Year Award
Not just damned funny, but 100% correct.
You have made my day........
By the way outside the office window here......I have a view of Bonanza Heaven. The best way to turn Avgas into Anti Global Cooling. Tornado Alley
Forkie and Chuckles would have trouble containing themselves!
That there is THE Post of The Year Award
Not just damned funny, but 100% correct.
You have made my day........
By the way outside the office window here......I have a view of Bonanza Heaven. The best way to turn Avgas into Anti Global Cooling. Tornado Alley
Forkie and Chuckles would have trouble containing themselves!
Top post from the Chair! Bit like the article in the Oz...
....the government doesn't understand..nah your joking right!
Hurst goes onto say...
And the response....
....ah but don't worry the bespectacled 'Boy Wonder' has got it all sorted..just blame it on the 'Mad Monk!'
The AAAA estimates the carbon tax adds 6c a litre to aircraft fuel costs and has written to Julia Gillard asking for an exemption.
Mr Hurst, a former director of education for the federal Environmental Protection Agency, said this produced a response from Climate Change Minister Greg Combet that indicated the government did not understand the issues involved.
Mr Hurst, a former director of education for the federal Environmental Protection Agency, said this produced a response from Climate Change Minister Greg Combet that indicated the government did not understand the issues involved.
Hurst goes onto say...
He questioned the policy process that saw heavy road transport exempt until 2014, cars out permanently and agriculture exempt. However, it had picked on an industry unable to change its behaviour because of regulatory restrictions such as engine certification requirements that made quick changes impossible.
"It's just a tax, a grab for cash," Mr Hurst said. "Why pick on aviation? There are so many good things that the government could be doing for aviation that it's not."
"It's just a tax, a grab for cash," Mr Hurst said. "Why pick on aviation? There are so many good things that the government could be doing for aviation that it's not."
A spokesman for Mr Combet confirmed aviation fuel would be subject to an effective carbon price but said this would have only a marginal impact on operating costs of about 5c a litre in 2012-13. "This is around 3 per cent of the price of aviation gas and within the range of normal market price fluctuations," he said. "Even after the effective carbon price is extended to heavy on-road vehicles in 2014-15, the excise on aviation fuel will still be significantly less than that applying to the diesel used by trucking operators (30c a litre) or the unleaded petrol used by the ordinary motorist (38c a litre)."
The spokesman said the excise rate on aviation fuel made no distinction as to use but that the government offered a carbon price rebate on fuel used by air and sea rescue services.
It also provided $14 million a year to lease firefighting aircraft.
The spokesman said the excise rate on aviation fuel made no distinction as to use but that the government offered a carbon price rebate on fuel used by air and sea rescue services.
It also provided $14 million a year to lease firefighting aircraft.
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The GST is imposed on the total of the bill including stamp tax, levies, and carbon tax. There are some exemptions to larger business and even some taxpayer funds to offset impending closures of other business, but when all the dust settles the end user pays the tax plus the GST.
Combet lives in a parallel Universe full of compulsive-obsessive people tugging at their trouser legs. Oh, and now hates The Greens who's policy in partnership with Labor he trumpets.
Combet lives in a parallel Universe full of compulsive-obsessive people tugging at their trouser legs. Oh, and now hates The Greens who's policy in partnership with Labor he trumpets.
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The other night I flew with a bloke who deserved a Carbon Tax bill for the emissions he was making after eating the onboard Lamb Curry... I also suggested use of the fumes removal checklist, which didn't go down too well
Seriously though, are there any tangible links between the revenue from this tax and investing in the pursuit of cleaner (+economically viable) energy sources? would it be too cynical to float the idea that the government may be using climate change as a guise to pursue its own goals of wealth re-distribution, whilst at the same time earning more marginal green votes?
Seriously though, are there any tangible links between the revenue from this tax and investing in the pursuit of cleaner (+economically viable) energy sources? would it be too cynical to float the idea that the government may be using climate change as a guise to pursue its own goals of wealth re-distribution, whilst at the same time earning more marginal green votes?
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@Lodown
1) that graph comes from another one of those wacko conspiracy theory websites, which are about as reliable as wet paper parachutes.
2) all of the graphs show a trend of climate warming, in the past and looking forward.
3) nothing would make me happier than to be wrong about global warming, but all of the credible scientific evidence points to man-made global warming.
Getting back to the Carbon Tax and aviation topic of this thread, when I was down at YMMB yesterday the cost of AirBP Avgas was about 20 cents a litre cheaper than earlier this year. The cost of aviation has recently fallen!
1) that graph comes from another one of those wacko conspiracy theory websites, which are about as reliable as wet paper parachutes.
2) all of the graphs show a trend of climate warming, in the past and looking forward.
3) nothing would make me happier than to be wrong about global warming, but all of the credible scientific evidence points to man-made global warming.
Getting back to the Carbon Tax and aviation topic of this thread, when I was down at YMMB yesterday the cost of AirBP Avgas was about 20 cents a litre cheaper than earlier this year. The cost of aviation has recently fallen!
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Are you ever going to address any of my questions? Few pages back now.
@Lodown
1) that graph comes from another one of those wacko conspiracy theory websites, which are about as reliable as wet paper parachutes. As opposed to all those wacky AGW sites? Come on, surely you can do better than that?
2) all of the graphs show a trend of climate warming, in the past and looking forward. Are you sure? all the AGW folks graphs are not consistent at all. A hypothesis is only as good as its last test, only takes one failure.....
3) nothing would make me happier than to be wrong about global warming, but all of the credible scientific evidence points to man-made global warming.
Getting back to the Carbon Tax and aviation topic of this thread, when I was down at YMMB yesterday the cost of AirBP Avgas was about 20 cents a litre cheaper than earlier this year. The cost of aviation has recently fallen!
1) that graph comes from another one of those wacko conspiracy theory websites, which are about as reliable as wet paper parachutes. As opposed to all those wacky AGW sites? Come on, surely you can do better than that?
2) all of the graphs show a trend of climate warming, in the past and looking forward. Are you sure? all the AGW folks graphs are not consistent at all. A hypothesis is only as good as its last test, only takes one failure.....
3) nothing would make me happier than to be wrong about global warming, but all of the credible scientific evidence points to man-made global warming.
Getting back to the Carbon Tax and aviation topic of this thread, when I was down at YMMB yesterday the cost of AirBP Avgas was about 20 cents a litre cheaper than earlier this year. The cost of aviation has recently fallen!
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Peterc005, I am quite convinced that despite any amount of evidence you probably won't change your mind on this subject...
I would like to remind you that while small price changes at the bowser may not bother you personally very much it is certainly a cost worth considering for bigger players in the industry. May I remind you of this quote that I have quoted previously from the AA magazine May edition this year. In the article by Michael Bridge and Jim Davis looking at regional aviation: "The annual cost to RAAA members of the carbon tax, being imposed through an increase in the levy on aviation fuels, is estimated at over $20 million a year but it will bring no efficiency gains or reduction in emissions. Private motor vehicles, our competition on shorter routes, are exempt. Trucks, meanwhile, are exempt until 2014. But there was no exemption for regional air services. Why not?" (emphasis supplied) - You cannot say that the carbon tax is a non-event. It is both untrue and unfair on those who are bearing the burden while others (maybe yourself?) benefit from the distribution of wealth with NO DEMONSTRABLE ENVIRONMENTAL BENEFIT.
They are a bit old, but here are a couple of other interesting tidbits for fire fuel... Note how in this NASA study they have found problems with the climate models - ie. the climate models are far from empirical fact:
"NASA Study: Global Warming Alarmists Wrong
Thursday, 28 Jul 2011 02:23 PM
By Sylvia Hubbard
NASA has released a new study that may prove global-warming alarmists have been wrong all along.
Data from NASA's Terra satellite covering the period 2000 through 2011 shows that when the earth's climate heats up, the atmosphere appears to be better able to channel the heat to outer space.
The satellite data call into question the computer models favored by global warming believers and may put to rest controversy over the discrepancy between the computer models and actual meteorological readings.
Co-author of the study, Dr. Roy Spencer of the University of Alabama's Earth System Science Center, said in a press release, "The satellite observations suggest there is much more energy lost to space during and after warming than the climate models show. There is a huge discrepancy between the data and the forecasts that is especially big over the oceans."
In an Op-Ed in Forbes, senior fellow for environment policy at The Heartland Institute James M. Taylor, said, "In short, the central premise of alarmist global warming theory is that carbon dioxide emissions should be directly and indirectly trapping a certain amount of heat in the earth's atmosphere and preventing it from escaping into space.
"Real-world measurements, however, show far less heat is being trapped in the earth's atmosphere than the alarmist computer models predict, and far more heat is escaping into space that the alarmist computer models predict."
The new research further shows that not only is more energy released to space than had been theorized, but also that the energy is released at an earlier point in a cycle of warming than previously documented.
In fact, the new data reveal, energy is discharged beginning at a point about three months before a cycle peaks. "At the peak," Spencer said, "satellites show energy being lost while climate models show energy still being gained."
The research was published in the journal Remote Sensing.
© Newsmax. All rights reserved."
And this non-technical rebuff from Professor Ian Plimer:
"Professor Ian Plimer (a member of the School of Earth and Environmental Sciences at the University of Adelaide. He is also a joint member of the School of Civil, Environmental and Mining Engineering) could not have said it better!
If you've read his book you will agree, this is a good summary.
Are you sitting down?
Okay, here's the bombshell. The volcanic eruption in Iceland, since its first spewing of volcanic ash has, in just FOUR DAYS, NEGATED EVERY SINGLE EFFORT you have made in the past five years to control CO2 emissions on our planet, all of you.
Of course you know about this evil carbon dioxide that we are trying to suppress, that vital chemical compound that every plant requires to live and grow, and to synthesize into oxygen for us humans, and all animal life.
I know, it's very disheartening to realize that all of the carbon emission savings you have accomplished while suffering the inconvenience and expense of: driving Prius hybrids, buying fabric grocery bags, sitting up till midnight to finish your kid's "The Green Revolution" science project, throwing out all of your non-green cleaning supplies, using only two squares of toilet paper, putting a brick in your toilet tank reservoir, selling your SUV and speedboat, vacationing at home instead of abroad, nearly getting hit every day on your bicycle, replacing all of your 50 cents light bulbs with $10.00 light bulbs...well, all of those things you have done have all gone down the tubes in just four days.
The volcanic ash emitted into the Earth's atmosphere in just four days - yes - FOUR DAYS ONLY by that volcano in Iceland, has totally erased every single effort you have made to reduce the evil beast, carbon. And there are around 200 active volcanoes on the planet spewing out this crud any one time - EVERY DAY.
I don't really want to rain on your parade too much, but I should mention that when the volcano Mt Pinatubo erupted in the Philippines in 1991, it spewed out more greenhouse gases into the atmosphere than the entire human race had emitted in its entire YEARS on earth. Yes folks, Mt Pinatubo was active for over one year, think about it.
Of course I shouldn't spoil this touchy-feely tree-hugging moment and mention the effect of solar and cosmic activity and the well-recognized 800-year global heating and cooling cycle, which keep happening, despite our completely insignificant efforts to affect climate change.
And I do wish I had a silver lining to this volcanic ash cloud but the fact of the matter is that the bush fire season across the western USA and Australia this year alone will negate your efforts to reduce carbon in our world for the next two to three years. And it happens every year.
Just remember that your government just tried to impose a whopping carbon tax on you on the basis of the bogus ''human-caused'' climate change scenario.
Hey, isn't it interesting how they don't mention ''Global Warming'' any more, but just ''Climate Change'' - you know why? It's because the planet has COOLED by 0.7 degrees in the past century and these global warming bull artists got caught with their pants down.
And just keep in mind that you might yet have an Emissions Trading Scheme (that whopping new tax) imposed on you, that will achieve absolutely nothing except make you poorer. It won't stop any volcanoes from erupting, that's for sure.
But hey, relax, give the world a hug and have a nice day!
PS: I wonder if Iceland is buying carbon offsets?"
Peterc005, I hope you have a plan for dealing with the volcanoes - they certainly are more of a problem than your 200 hours a year of pleasure flying when it comes to environmental impact... But oh, that's right! So long as you are paying a carbon tax that completely offsets your 200 hours of carbon guilt and you can then go on PPRuNe and pat yourself on the back about how much of a great environmental citizen you are! I'm glad it makes sense to someone... Not me...
I would like to remind you that while small price changes at the bowser may not bother you personally very much it is certainly a cost worth considering for bigger players in the industry. May I remind you of this quote that I have quoted previously from the AA magazine May edition this year. In the article by Michael Bridge and Jim Davis looking at regional aviation: "The annual cost to RAAA members of the carbon tax, being imposed through an increase in the levy on aviation fuels, is estimated at over $20 million a year but it will bring no efficiency gains or reduction in emissions. Private motor vehicles, our competition on shorter routes, are exempt. Trucks, meanwhile, are exempt until 2014. But there was no exemption for regional air services. Why not?" (emphasis supplied) - You cannot say that the carbon tax is a non-event. It is both untrue and unfair on those who are bearing the burden while others (maybe yourself?) benefit from the distribution of wealth with NO DEMONSTRABLE ENVIRONMENTAL BENEFIT.
They are a bit old, but here are a couple of other interesting tidbits for fire fuel... Note how in this NASA study they have found problems with the climate models - ie. the climate models are far from empirical fact:
"NASA Study: Global Warming Alarmists Wrong
Thursday, 28 Jul 2011 02:23 PM
By Sylvia Hubbard
NASA has released a new study that may prove global-warming alarmists have been wrong all along.
Data from NASA's Terra satellite covering the period 2000 through 2011 shows that when the earth's climate heats up, the atmosphere appears to be better able to channel the heat to outer space.
The satellite data call into question the computer models favored by global warming believers and may put to rest controversy over the discrepancy between the computer models and actual meteorological readings.
Co-author of the study, Dr. Roy Spencer of the University of Alabama's Earth System Science Center, said in a press release, "The satellite observations suggest there is much more energy lost to space during and after warming than the climate models show. There is a huge discrepancy between the data and the forecasts that is especially big over the oceans."
In an Op-Ed in Forbes, senior fellow for environment policy at The Heartland Institute James M. Taylor, said, "In short, the central premise of alarmist global warming theory is that carbon dioxide emissions should be directly and indirectly trapping a certain amount of heat in the earth's atmosphere and preventing it from escaping into space.
"Real-world measurements, however, show far less heat is being trapped in the earth's atmosphere than the alarmist computer models predict, and far more heat is escaping into space that the alarmist computer models predict."
The new research further shows that not only is more energy released to space than had been theorized, but also that the energy is released at an earlier point in a cycle of warming than previously documented.
In fact, the new data reveal, energy is discharged beginning at a point about three months before a cycle peaks. "At the peak," Spencer said, "satellites show energy being lost while climate models show energy still being gained."
The research was published in the journal Remote Sensing.
© Newsmax. All rights reserved."
And this non-technical rebuff from Professor Ian Plimer:
"Professor Ian Plimer (a member of the School of Earth and Environmental Sciences at the University of Adelaide. He is also a joint member of the School of Civil, Environmental and Mining Engineering) could not have said it better!
If you've read his book you will agree, this is a good summary.
Are you sitting down?
Okay, here's the bombshell. The volcanic eruption in Iceland, since its first spewing of volcanic ash has, in just FOUR DAYS, NEGATED EVERY SINGLE EFFORT you have made in the past five years to control CO2 emissions on our planet, all of you.
Of course you know about this evil carbon dioxide that we are trying to suppress, that vital chemical compound that every plant requires to live and grow, and to synthesize into oxygen for us humans, and all animal life.
I know, it's very disheartening to realize that all of the carbon emission savings you have accomplished while suffering the inconvenience and expense of: driving Prius hybrids, buying fabric grocery bags, sitting up till midnight to finish your kid's "The Green Revolution" science project, throwing out all of your non-green cleaning supplies, using only two squares of toilet paper, putting a brick in your toilet tank reservoir, selling your SUV and speedboat, vacationing at home instead of abroad, nearly getting hit every day on your bicycle, replacing all of your 50 cents light bulbs with $10.00 light bulbs...well, all of those things you have done have all gone down the tubes in just four days.
The volcanic ash emitted into the Earth's atmosphere in just four days - yes - FOUR DAYS ONLY by that volcano in Iceland, has totally erased every single effort you have made to reduce the evil beast, carbon. And there are around 200 active volcanoes on the planet spewing out this crud any one time - EVERY DAY.
I don't really want to rain on your parade too much, but I should mention that when the volcano Mt Pinatubo erupted in the Philippines in 1991, it spewed out more greenhouse gases into the atmosphere than the entire human race had emitted in its entire YEARS on earth. Yes folks, Mt Pinatubo was active for over one year, think about it.
Of course I shouldn't spoil this touchy-feely tree-hugging moment and mention the effect of solar and cosmic activity and the well-recognized 800-year global heating and cooling cycle, which keep happening, despite our completely insignificant efforts to affect climate change.
And I do wish I had a silver lining to this volcanic ash cloud but the fact of the matter is that the bush fire season across the western USA and Australia this year alone will negate your efforts to reduce carbon in our world for the next two to three years. And it happens every year.
Just remember that your government just tried to impose a whopping carbon tax on you on the basis of the bogus ''human-caused'' climate change scenario.
Hey, isn't it interesting how they don't mention ''Global Warming'' any more, but just ''Climate Change'' - you know why? It's because the planet has COOLED by 0.7 degrees in the past century and these global warming bull artists got caught with their pants down.
And just keep in mind that you might yet have an Emissions Trading Scheme (that whopping new tax) imposed on you, that will achieve absolutely nothing except make you poorer. It won't stop any volcanoes from erupting, that's for sure.
But hey, relax, give the world a hug and have a nice day!
PS: I wonder if Iceland is buying carbon offsets?"
Peterc005, I hope you have a plan for dealing with the volcanoes - they certainly are more of a problem than your 200 hours a year of pleasure flying when it comes to environmental impact... But oh, that's right! So long as you are paying a carbon tax that completely offsets your 200 hours of carbon guilt and you can then go on PPRuNe and pat yourself on the back about how much of a great environmental citizen you are! I'm glad it makes sense to someone... Not me...
Seasonally Adjusted
Professor Ian Plimer says...
However, I noted this passage from the following website...
Anti-global heating claims – a reasonably thorough debunking | Scholars and Rogues
Volcanoes emit a lot of gases, including significant amounts of CO2. Unfortunately, according to papers from back in the late 1990s, “Volcanoes contribute about 110 million tons of carbon dioxide per year while man’s activities contribute about 10 billion tons per year.”
This means that anthropogenic CO2 emissions are 100x greater than volcanic CO2 emissions.
In addition, volcanoes generally cause global cooling through the emissions of cloud-forming sulfur dioxide and water-cycle feedback.
The volcanic ash emitted into the Earth's atmosphere in just four days - yes - FOUR DAYS ONLY by that volcano in Iceland, has totally erased every single effort you have made to reduce the evil beast, carbon. And there are around 200 active volcanoes on the planet spewing out this crud any one time - EVERY DAY.
Anti-global heating claims – a reasonably thorough debunking | Scholars and Rogues
Volcanoes emit a lot of gases, including significant amounts of CO2. Unfortunately, according to papers from back in the late 1990s, “Volcanoes contribute about 110 million tons of carbon dioxide per year while man’s activities contribute about 10 billion tons per year.”
This means that anthropogenic CO2 emissions are 100x greater than volcanic CO2 emissions.
In addition, volcanoes generally cause global cooling through the emissions of cloud-forming sulfur dioxide and water-cycle feedback.
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If you are what you say you are you should know that the price of all fuel in Oz is set by the price in Singers and the rate of the $A. The co2 tax will still add a cost to everything.
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If you are what you say you are you should know that the price of all fuel in Oz is set by the price in Singers and the rate of the $A. The co2 tax will still add a cost to everything.
GAGS
E86
"Getting back to the Carbon Tax and aviation topic of this thread, when I was down at YMMB yesterday the cost of AirBP Avgas was about 20 cents a litre cheaper than earlier this year. The cost of aviation has recently fallen! "
Um, the cost of fuel has fallen this month. But it would have fallen 5c a litre MORE if we hadn't had the ta...er "excise" of an extra 5c a litre added as of 1 July.
Edited to add the excise is applied, then GST charged on the total including the excise. All crystal clear on the fuel bill.
Um, the cost of fuel has fallen this month. But it would have fallen 5c a litre MORE if we hadn't had the ta...er "excise" of an extra 5c a litre added as of 1 July.
Edited to add the excise is applied, then GST charged on the total including the excise. All crystal clear on the fuel bill.
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P......,
If you are what you say you are you should know that the price of all fuel in Oz is set by the price in Singers and the rate of the $A. The co2 tax will still add a cost to everything.
GAGS
E86
If you are what you say you are you should know that the price of all fuel in Oz is set by the price in Singers and the rate of the $A. The co2 tax will still add a cost to everything.
GAGS
E86