Use ASIC for upgrade?
Could be wrong, but I was of the understanding it is illegal to display your asic unless you are on duty and it is required for your duty
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I' starting to suspect not, XXX. However, if they are prepared to show and be judged, then we could make a worthwhile assessment, couldn't we.......
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Dearie, dearie me. 
I think you're right about the regs, although the Customs restricted areas at international airports are a grey issue.
As long as you're not in a restricted airside area such as the apron or baggage makeup I don't think the wearing of an ASIC constututes a breach. IIRC it's only if you're using it to go somewhere you aren't authorised to be.
It's definitely very uncool though.
I think you're right about the regs, although the Customs restricted areas at international airports are a grey issue.
As long as you're not in a restricted airside area such as the apron or baggage makeup I don't think the wearing of an ASIC constututes a breach. IIRC it's only if you're using it to go somewhere you aren't authorised to be.
It's definitely very uncool though.
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And as I sit here in a FNQ Q club lounge, there is a tosser with his lanyard around his neck proudly displaying his ASIC. 
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The ASIC or VIC is issued for the use of the individual named on the card and only whilst on duty.
An ASIC or other approved ID does not permit you to enter the Customs Controlled Areas at your leisure. There are
penalties under the Customs Act 1901 for those who offend. Failure to comply with the conditions of entry means
you could be investigated, prosecuted and fined. You could also lose your ASIC and/or access privileges and your
right to work at the airport.
penalties under the Customs Act 1901 for those who offend. Failure to comply with the conditions of entry means
you could be investigated, prosecuted and fined. You could also lose your ASIC and/or access privileges and your
right to work at the airport.
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Define 'use'.
Not a trick question.
Arguably, 'use' means to use it to gain access to an area that you would otherwise be prohibited from entering, such as the apron or baggage makeup area.
The other argument is that 'use' also includes wearing the thing around your neck, even in an area such as an unrestricted domestic departure lounge where there is no actual advantage to doing so. Again arguably, that's not 'using' it, as you are not exercising your ASIC privileges by displaying the card. You're not getting anything or going anywhere you wouldn't without it. What's the unlawful intent?
Defrauding the airport coffee shop is more of a community service, and many airport businesses such as Travelex have a relaxed approach to 'staff' discounts even if you tell them you're not actually working. If the 'only on duty clause' was applied to the letter, everyone could be busted for wearing them while on the way home in uniform, and dashing into the shops. That's not happening.
Either way, unless the shiny, happy people at OTS have recently changed their views, it hasn't been on their radar as a serious issue. While Customs are good at breathing fire and brimstone, have they actually charged anyone with this offence as a standalone? Also not a trick question. I'd be interested if anyone knows of a case, and even if none exists I certainly wouldn't push them on the issue.
P.S. I still think it's pooncey, a bit like getting dressed up in a pilot's uniform to go to the shops the day after you pass GFPT.
Not a trick question.
Arguably, 'use' means to use it to gain access to an area that you would otherwise be prohibited from entering, such as the apron or baggage makeup area.
The other argument is that 'use' also includes wearing the thing around your neck, even in an area such as an unrestricted domestic departure lounge where there is no actual advantage to doing so. Again arguably, that's not 'using' it, as you are not exercising your ASIC privileges by displaying the card. You're not getting anything or going anywhere you wouldn't without it. What's the unlawful intent?
Defrauding the airport coffee shop is more of a community service
, and many airport businesses such as Travelex have a relaxed approach to 'staff' discounts even if you tell them you're not actually working. If the 'only on duty clause' was applied to the letter, everyone could be busted for wearing them while on the way home in uniform, and dashing into the shops. That's not happening. Either way, unless the shiny, happy people at OTS have recently changed their views, it hasn't been on their radar as a serious issue. While Customs are good at breathing fire and brimstone, have they actually charged anyone with this offence as a standalone? Also not a trick question. I'd be interested if anyone knows of a case, and even if none exists I certainly wouldn't push them on the issue.
P.S. I still think it's pooncey, a bit like getting dressed up in a pilot's uniform to go to the shops the day after you pass GFPT.
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VH-XXX,
Maybe flashed it to get into the lounge. I can't believe they'd fall for that though.
So Warrals, you've been to the local shops near Jandakot then?
Maybe flashed it to get into the lounge. I can't believe they'd fall for that though.
P.S. I still think it's pooncey, a bit like getting dressed up in a pilot's uniform to go to the shops the day after you pass GFPT
This information can be found in Airport Security Awareness Guide
That's the SACL booklet, nothing to do with the security regulations, and really quite misleading.
If you happen to have an ASIC card, it's good for the staff prices, instead of the extortionate retail prices the mug punters are forced to pay at most big airports.
At Sydney, $2.00 for a mug of coffee beats the hell out of $5.50 and more.
Tootle pip!!
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AFAIK one can't use the ASIC privilege of accessing secure areas of the airport when not on duty. While granting the card, the Airport Authority wouldn't mention the retail shop discounts as a privilege.
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AFAIK one can't use the ASIC privilege of accessing secure areas of the airport when not on duty.
It does happen...
I can understand digging one out for a coffee/retail discount, that's by grace and favour of the retailer.
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