Glass Panels Vs Steam Gauges..??
Binghi,
Your point is taken, but you let Garmin worry about that, they just give you a new screen.
It will be interesting to see the CFIT accident rate in the future as more aircraft are equiped with synthetic vision.
As for Aspen avionics units, we had 3 Seminoles and all had significant problems with teh Aspen unit. Either failing completely, or showing a 30 deg AoB when you were wings level, HDG out by 60 deg. One even caught fire (the Aspen that is)...well I really mean it produced smoke.
Your point is taken, but you let Garmin worry about that, they just give you a new screen.
It will be interesting to see the CFIT accident rate in the future as more aircraft are equiped with synthetic vision.
As for Aspen avionics units, we had 3 Seminoles and all had significant problems with teh Aspen unit. Either failing completely, or showing a 30 deg AoB when you were wings level, HDG out by 60 deg. One even caught fire (the Aspen that is)...well I really mean it produced smoke.
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nomorecatering, yer dont have to sell me on glass - i like. And my experience with Garmin has been positive. The post warrenty fixed price repair service is a good idea... pull it out, send it back, and it comes back lookin like new with no 'surprise' extra costs..
As for what sort of problems a garmin can have...
Garmin Service Alerts are published to warn users of potential safety issues concerning Garmin products... Garmin: Service Alerts
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Report: No Safety Advantage To Glass Panels
"...glass-panel aircraft may be more susceptible to accidents during takeoffs, landings, and go-arounds..."
via http://www.avweb.com/pdf/ntsb_glass-...g-comments.pdf ...
"...The data tell us that equipment specific training will save lives. So to that end, we have adopted recommendations today responsive to the data – recommendations on pilot knowledge testing standards, training, simulators, documentation and service difficulty reporting so that the potential safety improvements that these systems provide can be realized by the general aviation pilot community..."
Well, lookin to me we is headin towards what some posters here have alluden to and that is major training, testing and simulator work (read lotsa money) just so yer can read a glass panel airspeed indicator..
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Your point is taken, but you let Garmin worry about that, they just give you a new screen...
As for what sort of problems a garmin can have...
Garmin Service Alerts are published to warn users of potential safety issues concerning Garmin products... Garmin: Service Alerts
--------------------------------------------------------------------------
Back to the thread subject...
Report: No Safety Advantage To Glass Panels
"...glass-panel aircraft may be more susceptible to accidents during takeoffs, landings, and go-arounds..."
via http://www.avweb.com/pdf/ntsb_glass-...g-comments.pdf ...
"...The data tell us that equipment specific training will save lives. So to that end, we have adopted recommendations today responsive to the data – recommendations on pilot knowledge testing standards, training, simulators, documentation and service difficulty reporting so that the potential safety improvements that these systems provide can be realized by the general aviation pilot community..."
Well, lookin to me we is headin towards what some posters here have alluden to and that is major training, testing and simulator work (read lotsa money) just so yer can read a glass panel airspeed indicator..
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You think 'that' is a 'Glass Cockpit'......??
Nah!
'THIS is a 'Glass Cockpit'!!!!........Apols to Hoges.......
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Nah!
'THIS is a 'Glass Cockpit'!!!!........Apols to Hoges.......
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Fondair, not sure what your point was really meant to be, but lets just say that it will not fail in such simple modes as a bug up ya pitot like the TSO'd units you may be fond of.
As for nomorecatering and his Aspen experience, yet another TSO device, it lines up pretty well with Jank Ranga's experiences as well, and I assume you are in Melbourne or a latitude there or south
Now dont get me wrong, I am not anti TSO, heck I have $20K plus of it in my panel too, but you are kidding yourself if you think it buys you greater quality, better features or reliability. In general terms it does not. Often the opposite.
Flying Binghi
I am not really botherwed with copyright, and who owns what IP when stuff is in the public domain.......but in future go get your own material
And as for working it out, myself as a mere plankton in the aviation world, and a retired Jumbo driver can work it out in all manner of operations, so if you could not get your head around that pretty quickly, you should give away the idea of anything but a VFR C152.
Ergonomically I believe it works verry well. If someone comes up with any suggestions on layout, and can justify their claim, and it is able to be reprogrammed, I'll do it. But right now, someone in the right seat can ask for any flight parameter displayed and we can answer it in a flash. Probably quicker and more finite than you can with a traditional Cessna or Beech.
Heck...when Forkie got the V Tail fitted with an EDM he was stunned at just how useless all the Beech gauges were.
As for nomorecatering and his Aspen experience, yet another TSO device, it lines up pretty well with Jank Ranga's experiences as well, and I assume you are in Melbourne or a latitude there or south
Now dont get me wrong, I am not anti TSO, heck I have $20K plus of it in my panel too, but you are kidding yourself if you think it buys you greater quality, better features or reliability. In general terms it does not. Often the opposite.
Flying Binghi
I am not really botherwed with copyright, and who owns what IP when stuff is in the public domain.......but in future go get your own material
And as for working it out, myself as a mere plankton in the aviation world, and a retired Jumbo driver can work it out in all manner of operations, so if you could not get your head around that pretty quickly, you should give away the idea of anything but a VFR C152.
Ergonomically I believe it works verry well. If someone comes up with any suggestions on layout, and can justify their claim, and it is able to be reprogrammed, I'll do it. But right now, someone in the right seat can ask for any flight parameter displayed and we can answer it in a flash. Probably quicker and more finite than you can with a traditional Cessna or Beech.
Heck...when Forkie got the V Tail fitted with an EDM he was stunned at just how useless all the Beech gauges were.
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Jabawocky, you presented the picture to a public pilots forum... just like the words you present to the forum, the pictures can be commented on as well within the forum...
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I am not really botherwed with copyright, and who owns what IP when stuff is in the public domain.......but in future go get your own material
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"...a retired Jumbo driver can work it out in all manner of operations..."
Hmmm... and yet we still have them dead pilots - reference the thread starter report.
....perhaps that were a recomendation of the report writers, that the accident pilots shoulda been flying 152s.... i musta missed it at first read..
I thought we were compareing glass to steam ? From what i've seen all the glass, certified or not, is a real dogs breakfast - the report refers to the non-standardization.
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via Jabawocky #49;
...And as for working it out, myself as a mere plankton in the aviation world, and a retired Jumbo driver can work it out in all manner of operations, so if you could not get your head around that pretty quickly, you should give away the idea of anything but a VFR C152.
Ergonomically I believe it works verry well. If someone comes up with any suggestions on layout, and can justify their claim, and it is able to be reprogrammed, I'll do it. But right now, someone in the right seat can ask for any flight parameter displayed and we can answer it in a flash. Probably quicker and more finite than you can with a traditional Cessna or Beech.
Heck...when Forkie got the V Tail fitted with an EDM he was stunned at just how useless all the Beech gauges were.
...And as for working it out, myself as a mere plankton in the aviation world, and a retired Jumbo driver can work it out in all manner of operations, so if you could not get your head around that pretty quickly, you should give away the idea of anything but a VFR C152.
Ergonomically I believe it works verry well. If someone comes up with any suggestions on layout, and can justify their claim, and it is able to be reprogrammed, I'll do it. But right now, someone in the right seat can ask for any flight parameter displayed and we can answer it in a flash. Probably quicker and more finite than you can with a traditional Cessna or Beech.
Heck...when Forkie got the V Tail fitted with an EDM he was stunned at just how useless all the Beech gauges were.
"...a retired Jumbo driver can work it out in all manner of operations..."
Hmmm... and yet we still have them dead pilots - reference the thread starter report.
....perhaps that were a recomendation of the report writers, that the accident pilots shoulda been flying 152s.... i musta missed it at first read..
via Jabawocky #49;
I am not anti TSO, heck I have $20K plus of it in my panel too, but you are kidding yourself if you think it buys you greater quality, better features or reliability. In general terms it does not...
I am not anti TSO, heck I have $20K plus of it in my panel too, but you are kidding yourself if you think it buys you greater quality, better features or reliability. In general terms it does not...
I thought we were compareing glass to steam ? From what i've seen all the glass, certified or not, is a real dogs breakfast - the report refers to the non-standardization.
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