Charter Job Or Instructor?

[PilotKarl_777-300]

Good'ay fellow Aviation enthusiasts . Just recently finished my CPL training in Melbourne and im really looking foward to finding my first job in flying, whether it be charter ops, parachute drops or anything that involves flying and building up hours. Can anyone please be of assistance and help me or atleast shed some light ? if anyone knows anyone who's hiring pilots just after finishing of their training? Im also thinking about getting my instructor rating done in YMMB and then lkn for work but what chance of guarentee do i have finding a job as an instructor? .. i really want to stick with charter however.!! any suggestions or tips which would help me would be really appreciative ladies and gents, safe flying

[D-J]

Perhaps use the search function, have seen quite a few similar threads pop up in the recent past.

instructor rating done in YMMB and then lkn for work but what chance of guarentee do i have finding a job as an instructor?

Nothing's guaranteed in aviation! become an instructor if you it's something you want to do & can commit to ( once again use the search many a thread about this....)

[lilflyboy262...2]

I always love how people don't find out about this stuff until after they have completed their CPLs

[PilotKarl_777-300]

Thnx heap's DJ ive done that and found some useful information

In response to lilflyboy262..2, mate ive done my research and prepared for this situation ive always had a plan too hit the big jets one day and that is my dream, but thier are times in life were you occur tough times and you need advice from people..

[wishiwasupthere]

ive always had a plan too hit the big jets one day and that is my dream

Serious question, but what's the fascination with airlines?

Now if only I can find a way to move up from my 210!!

[Lasiorhinus]

Make sure you have a retractable undercarriage endorsement.

Don't bother with an instructor rating - if you wanted to instruct, you'd already know without any doubt that you wanted to instruct.

Pack the car, and go north. From Melbourne, go via Adelaide then up the centre. Visit William Creek and Marree. Keep driving, go to Jabiru and Oenpelli. Then go west, to Kununurra, Halls Creek, Fitzroy Crossing, Derby and Broome.

Decide where you want to stay for a while, out of Kununurra and Broome - then get a room at the backpackers and stay there, regularly visiting the local charter companies, occasionally visiting the other towns.
Work in a supermarket or servo, or if you have RSA, work in the pub.

Some people get jobs quickly, some people it can take over a year. But I promise you this - if you stick around long enough, you will get a job. It may not be easy, but it will be one hell of a lot of fun.

[Lasiorhinus]

Originally Posted by PilotKarl_777-300

ive always had a plan too hit the big jets one day and that is my dream,

Follow your instructors advice: "Clear Left, Centre, Right, Turning Right" and you stand a much better chance of never hitting a big jet.

[PilotKarl_777-300]

Serious question, but what's the fascination with airlines?

Now if only I can find a way to move up from my 210!!

Well you never know? i might end up flying 210's and maybe a king air or Baraon's for rest of my life, if it is a one of a hell life time experience

I dunno whats soo fascinating about it but ive always wanted to be in the left hand seat of a Boeing 777-300 alyways been my dream to be in the cockpit and just feel that bad girl in my control HAHA!

Follow your instructors advice: "Clear Left, Centre, Right, Turning Right" and you stand a much better chance of never hitting a big jet.

HAHA didnt mean it that way, i remember through vigorous training my instructor and CFI would hammer me if i ever forgot to do a correct lookout

[PA39]

Never take on instructing just to gain hours in the seat. Be committed and as you are still very inexperienced, learn every day. A good instructor with experience often makes for a good charter pilot but a good charter pilot struggles with instructing. Learn what you are teaching and why you are teaching.

[Fondair]

There is enough bare CPL instructors out there contributing nothing of value. Please dont do it.

[Homesick-Angel]

When you go for your "big jet" interview, probably best not to answer the question " why do you want to fly with us?" with .... " cos I just want to feel that bad girl in my control"

This dude has to be winding us up? Who, other than the numbnuts in movies like Top Gun, speaks like that?.

[major_tom]

I always love how people don't find out about this stuff until after they have completed their CPLs

^ lol, too true

Probably should have been thinking about this during your training karl.

As you have not done your FIR yet you can always go up north first then try instructing if charter dont work out. Word on the street is a MECIR may be good if deciding to do charter?

However before you turn out the big bucks for ratings/endos I would probably start with the most basic thing - the search function

Best place to generally find FI jobs is afap - however charter whole other ball game.

[PilotKarl_777-300]

Never take on instructing just to gain hours in the seat.

My aim is to build up hours asap soo ideally yes charter work would be the best thing. Now if i do instructing ill be 120% committed to my work and teaching my student, and giving them every bit of experience that i have learnt.. and in response to fondair ive seen a few instructors myself just using students to gain up hours and sending them back for another Nav before proceeding on and its for the most stupidest reasons too.!

@Homesick-Angel 'When you go for your "big jet" interview, probably best not to answer the question " why do you want to fly with us?" with .... " cos I just want to feel that bad girl in my control"
This dude has to be winding us up? Who, other than the numbnuts in movies like Top Gun, speaks like that?.

First of all dont be hating on Top Gun im just expressing on the feeling i got back then and i still am however that aint answer to a Airline Job interview im willing to give or am i? Just kidding
And thnx heaps Tom and Bunglerat

[404 Titan]

PilotKarl_777-300

I hope your ability to construct a sentence in your résumé is better than here, because quite frankly reading your posts is very painful.

[morno]

because quite frankly reading your posts is very painful.

Agreed

Now if i do instructing ill be 120% committed to my work and teaching my student, and giving them every bit of experience that i have learnt..

But you don't have any experience, so how can you teach them? Sure you may have 200hrs, but that's barely enough experience to get you through a normal day on the job in charter, so how can you then teach someone else this 'experience'?

After over 4,000hrs I still consider myself green and still learning a lot. But at least I'd have something to pass onto a new student. 200hrs though...... please, for the sake of our industry, don't do it.

morno

[PilotKarl_777-300]

404 Titan
I hope your ability to construct a sentence in your résumé is better than here, because quite frankly reading your posts is very painful.

I'm really sorry! Didn't realize this was a website were grammar and sentence structure mattered so much Maybe they should have an Auto-Correct function!

Thnx morno for the advice, but still having 200 hours compared to a student without any flying experience, means you still have something to teach, and i understand that having an instructor rating doesn't mean ill ever stop learning

[morno]

Basically all you have to teach, are the mere fundamentals of flying. You can't pass on any experience, because with 200hrs, you barely have any experience to pass on. That's the problem, how can you put out a good student who's ready to face the world, when they have been taught by someone who is basically almost on the same level as them.

200hrs is not experienced. 200hrs is merely a tiny figure in which you've learnt enough to gain your licence. Even at 2,000hrs you are only probably just getting to a point where you have a few things you could pass onto someone with very little hours.

This whole instructor thing straight out of flying school themselves, ****'s me to tears. It should not be allowed.

The crux of it all, go and get some experience in charter rather than the blind leading the blind as an instructor with bugger all hours. I did the charter route and haven't regretted one bit of it. 8 years since I got my first job and I'm still not working for an airline, by pure choice and happiness with where I am now. Airlines aren't the be all and end all.

morno

[SpyderPig]

I'm really sorry! Didn't realize this was a website were grammar and sentence structure mattered so much Maybe they should have an Auto-Correct function!

You havnt read enough posts on here yet then lol. Grammar police patrol this place better than the highway patrol do the highways. You should take pride in the way you write anything, its not what you say but how you say it that can make the difference.

As for being a fresh CPL instructor (fresh CPL myself) I have met some great ones. The thing Ive found is that if they have a complex about knowing more than they do and think they are sky gods.

Ive chosen charter myself, and no offence you probably should of put more thought into this by now

[PilotKarl_777-300]

I did the charter route and haven't regretted one bit of it. 8 years since I got my first job and I'm still not working for an airline, by pure choice and happiness with where I am now. Airlines aren't the be all and end all.

Good on ya champ well im willing too go all the way to the airlines

[PilotKarl_777-300]

Ive chosen charter myself, and no offence you probably should of put more thought into this by now

I have alot, it's just ive got a mate who's a CPL Helicopter pilot and his also a Ground instructor at YMMB and his been putting few ideas in my head about instructing. However im still putting all the effort into finding a charter job! As i said in my previous post im leaving it as a last resort.

The thing Ive found is that if they have a complex about knowing more than they do and think they are sky gods.

This again is really true, however some instructors think they know all but in reality they have no clue and tell you to go find the answer despite the fact you've tried a billion times!!
So have you found a job yet spyderpig?
Another thing i should start to consider is finishing off my ATPL's