CASA spends millions chasing Milton Jones aviation business
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But of course because you not heard of it it can't possibly be true. I guess ness I had to place boat ergo on a seaplane that can't be true either. What small worlds some if you must live in !
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Please prove otherwise.
I am more than happy to be proven wrong in my assertions that you're talking out of your arse.
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CAR 1988
Reg 157 Para 1 a & b.
My docs are a touch out of date, but I doubt that rule has changed....no safety case presented.
In the meantime, i'm getting some doughnuts to enjoy the show
Reg 157 Para 1 a & b.
My docs are a touch out of date, but I doubt that rule has changed....no safety case presented.
In the meantime, i'm getting some doughnuts to enjoy the show
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Hi Jas,
Stikybeke has already quoted Reg 157 above. It seems pretty clear to most people on here but I'm just waiting for Yr Right to dig out the alleged regulation that counters 157 and allows us to fly unrestricted over our own property. I think, as we do not own the airspace above our property, that I may be waiting some time and you might need some popcorn to accompany the doughnuts
Stikybeke has already quoted Reg 157 above. It seems pretty clear to most people on here but I'm just waiting for Yr Right to dig out the alleged regulation that counters 157 and allows us to fly unrestricted over our own property. I think, as we do not own the airspace above our property, that I may be waiting some time and you might need some popcorn to accompany the doughnuts
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if yr right is correct, it makes those $100,000 10,000 acre properties look real attractive! im might start up the Cobar/reno air races! max height, 100 ft!
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Back on track again!!
As I said to Thorbird, recently:
Yes the Quadrio matter should be at the top of the heap [for fixing].
It is now six years since the alleged occurrence and a run-away investigator, who didn't even look at the weather on the day to see if it co-incided with the actual day alleged.
And the use of the known criminal as a witness??
casa, this is not going away.
I note that the Board member refers to the Quadrio matter in the Jones case.
I wonder how his comments be if it is drawn to his attention that the finding is "unsafe"?? as casa never revealed the provenance of the "witness", nor the "break-in" to Quadrio's workplace a few days earlier prior to being "summoned" to the FF cairns office.
And where are the FOI's who refused to support casa??
MTF
Yes the Quadrio matter should be at the top of the heap [for fixing].
It is now six years since the alleged occurrence and a run-away investigator, who didn't even look at the weather on the day to see if it co-incided with the actual day alleged.
And the use of the known criminal as a witness??
casa, this is not going away.
I note that the Board member refers to the Quadrio matter in the Jones case.
I wonder how his comments be if it is drawn to his attention that the finding is "unsafe"?? as casa never revealed the provenance of the "witness", nor the "break-in" to Quadrio's workplace a few days earlier prior to being "summoned" to the FF cairns office.
And where are the FOI's who refused to support casa??
MTF
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You might want to read CAR157. There is no other regulation regarding low level flight unless of course you have an instrument from CASA specifically allowing a particular type of low level flight like an Aerobatic display for example. I doubt your source is able to give you a regulation to turn to for guidance. If so, what is it. Others have asked the same question and so am I again. Over the years I've flown with many country pilots over their own properties, some of which been from where we've departed and landed. The rules have always been the same and have not changed since 1988. Ask Jim. He'll set you straight if he's being keeping up which given the windfarm stuff I'm sure he has.
Stiky
You might want to read CAR157. There is no other regulation regarding low level flight unless of course you have an instrument from CASA specifically allowing a particular type of low level flight like an Aerobatic display for example. I doubt your source is able to give you a regulation to turn to for guidance. If so, what is it. Others have asked the same question and so am I again. Over the years I've flown with many country pilots over their own properties, some of which been from where we've departed and landed. The rules have always been the same and have not changed since 1988. Ask Jim. He'll set you straight if he's being keeping up which given the windfarm stuff I'm sure he has.
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So as I understand most people in industry are of the opinion that the Jones verdict was a common sense and just adjudication.
Given that ruling,
When can we expect "Justice" for John Qadrio? and Karon Casey? etc.
Given that ruling,
When can we expect "Justice" for John Qadrio? and Karon Casey? etc.
Had a conformation phone call last night saying I was correct
TB - on the face of it, it appears to be common sense, but what would happen if the engine failed and he landed on his water skiing son and sliced him up, or the controls failed and he hit the jet ski? If you don't partake in such activities, you are less likely to have an accident. Can you even call it an accident if it happened when you were doing something stupid?
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Has nothing to do with low level flight rules at at. You can do what you like over your OWN property below 500 feet. The aircraft dose not need a CofA nothing. It your place. You don't need a pilot lic either. What I here you ask no surely he is pulling it out of my arse. We'll I'm not. It the same as you don't need to ergo your car on your own place either. But if you leave your place you will be done.
Can't remember the whole story but I guy did get done some time back. Funny thing is not one person has ask how I know this. All so quick to point fingers but. Never mind.
Can't remember the whole story but I guy did get done some time back. Funny thing is not one person has ask how I know this. All so quick to point fingers but. Never mind.
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7700,
I think you will find far more water skiers get sliced up by boat props than helicopter rotors, but I agree the risks involved in waterskiing makes it a rather stupid pastime.
Same all this low level mustering, the controls could fail and hit a stockman.
Maybe these fling wings are altogether too dangerous and should be banned altogether.
I think you will find far more water skiers get sliced up by boat props than helicopter rotors, but I agree the risks involved in waterskiing makes it a rather stupid pastime.
Same all this low level mustering, the controls could fail and hit a stockman.
Maybe these fling wings are altogether too dangerous and should be banned altogether.
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yr right
There are exemptions to fixed wing ops below 500' as per CAR 157 1(b). I'll list them for you shortly, to save you looking them up.
I have not seen any regulation that permits the things you propose as a blanket exemption from the regs...ANYWHERE.
Maybe you should call back the person who rang you and said you were correct and ask for the legislative references, so you can post them here to qualify your statements.. If you can post the references, then quite a few of us will happily eat humble pie.
The 3 exemptions I can think of, are all ratings that require extra training.
Aerial Mustering
Aerial Spraying (ag ops)
Aerial Firefighting.
Not withstanding, approach and take off within the course of normal operations.
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Relying on a phone call? that has ants on it....its the same as CASA telling you that you cannot operate an aircraft in Australia without an ASIC...its posted on their website so the FOI's will tell you that is true. A lil thought tells you, the statement is a LIE!. Even deeper looking will tell you that you can operate without an ASIC OR an AVID! And I can provide the reference for that
Back it up with the references or admit you might have made an incorrect reading of the rules
Without a Reference, its merely considered your delusion.
Enjoy
Jas
I have not seen any regulation that permits the things you propose as a blanket exemption from the regs...ANYWHERE.
Maybe you should call back the person who rang you and said you were correct and ask for the legislative references, so you can post them here to qualify your statements.. If you can post the references, then quite a few of us will happily eat humble pie.
The 3 exemptions I can think of, are all ratings that require extra training.
Aerial Mustering
Aerial Spraying (ag ops)
Aerial Firefighting.
Not withstanding, approach and take off within the course of normal operations.
.........................
Relying on a phone call? that has ants on it....its the same as CASA telling you that you cannot operate an aircraft in Australia without an ASIC...its posted on their website so the FOI's will tell you that is true. A lil thought tells you, the statement is a LIE!. Even deeper looking will tell you that you can operate without an ASIC OR an AVID! And I can provide the reference for that
Back it up with the references or admit you might have made an incorrect reading of the rules
Without a Reference, its merely considered your delusion.
Enjoy
Jas
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