CASA spends millions chasing Milton Jones aviation business
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Wow
In all but one (whoops), you have to admire, even be a bit in awe of the skills some of these guys have.
It may (or may not) be "technically" legal, but wow anyway.
It may (or may not) be "technically" legal, but wow anyway.
Troy Dan did it in 2007:
DF.
...It is either CASA's, ASA's or QANTAS' fault...
Poor ol Milton, perhaps he shoulda joined them Sea Shepherd lot who drag cables under sea going ships and shine lasers at ships captains. Milton woulda had that dipwit Bob Brown giving him Oz military support if he were flying a black heli with a pirate insigna..
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I also don’t see a water skier under a sling load 100% of the time. Also last time I looked a sling endorsement doesn’t authorise a pilot to tow a water skier. There is a reason for this. Because it’s reckless.
After all, live loads on slings are not forbidden (otherwise helicopter rescue wouldn't be possible). Dragging things is not forbidden... Is it "reckless"? - I am not aware of any heli-water skiing injuries, so it can't be that much of a problem.
I think that it is one of those things which LOOK "exciting", but are pretty mundane when performed by knowledgeable people.
Now having said that, it doesn't exclude the allegations of leaving a helicopter running with passengers on board but no pilot etc etc.
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I have never been one for deliberately and willfully breaking or violating rules or ignoring regulations but due to the aggressive punitive blood letting attitude that CASA has delivered in the past few years I think I might go and hire a chopper again (its been around 8 years!) and get somebody to film me doing some very very naughty things. Perhaps I may even hang my hairy spotted ass out of the open flight deck! Then I will have the footage expertly edited and doctored to the point that the only possible identifier will be if somebody recognizes my robust freckle!!
Upload it to YouTube from an Internet cafe and enjoy the chase as Fort Fumble commences it's investigation! F#ck the lot of them.
If they are going to take industry down we may as go down in style! I know they will investigate even if as they claim they are only interested in the protection of the fair paying public. That's the ironic thing with Milt, they are out to hang him yet 'technically' he was a risk to himself and the skier, which hardly constitutes te fair paying public or innocent public especially when the tomfoolery took place in a safe environment (for example not under the Sydney Harbor Bridge).
Speaking of only giving a **** about fair paying public and innocent bystander public it is also interesting that CASA assigns pretty much no oversight or surveillance to the freight industry. 737's, A330's, some 747's, 146's, all big enough metal to cause some carnage yet not on the CASA radar when it comes to 'risk management'? Again it makes them look like tools when they are not concerned about those operations yet they go after farmer Joe who has been a bit of a goof.
Upload it to YouTube from an Internet cafe and enjoy the chase as Fort Fumble commences it's investigation! F#ck the lot of them.
If they are going to take industry down we may as go down in style! I know they will investigate even if as they claim they are only interested in the protection of the fair paying public. That's the ironic thing with Milt, they are out to hang him yet 'technically' he was a risk to himself and the skier, which hardly constitutes te fair paying public or innocent public especially when the tomfoolery took place in a safe environment (for example not under the Sydney Harbor Bridge).
Speaking of only giving a **** about fair paying public and innocent bystander public it is also interesting that CASA assigns pretty much no oversight or surveillance to the freight industry. 737's, A330's, some 747's, 146's, all big enough metal to cause some carnage yet not on the CASA radar when it comes to 'risk management'? Again it makes them look like tools when they are not concerned about those operations yet they go after farmer Joe who has been a bit of a goof.
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Too bloody right gobbles!
I'm a pretty fair skier, you can tow me down the river!...it'd be an interesting experience to run a slalom course with no wake to deal with
Actually, you'd be at more risk than me, because of the pressure that a decent skier can put on the tow vehicle. At the end of the day my safety is assured, because if I don;t like the way you tow me, I can always throw the handle at you.
I'm a pretty fair skier, you can tow me down the river!...it'd be an interesting experience to run a slalom course with no wake to deal with
Actually, you'd be at more risk than me, because of the pressure that a decent skier can put on the tow vehicle. At the end of the day my safety is assured, because if I don;t like the way you tow me, I can always throw the handle at you.
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Lets ignore the generalities.
'The Australian' article implies that CASA are being forced to the High court, at great expense in order to obtain 'uncut' un – edited footage. We have all seen 'Lord of the Rings' an so on, so it is fair to assume that the average 'punter' is very much aware of the incredible powers 'movie makers' have to distort reality.
Things that trouble me are:- the TV (media) natural, inherent and commercially driven need to draw attention to their product; the lack of communication in the first place between a named "star" operator and the authority; an finally that none of this is anymore than quasi legal speculation at the moment.
Not one to defend this iteration of CASA, but a 'proper' regulator should (would ?) be given the tapes to help satisfy their questions and if required, lay their charges; I for one would want those charges laid, then proven beyond a reasonable doubt.
But if the tapes disprove the allegations, I want someone's head on a pole for the impost to the country and for being dumb enough to believe everything they see at the movies is real.
I don't believe the disputed 'evidence' can be denied CASA indefinitely, so why bother; except for the obvious reasons. Shades of JQ appear around the edges of this; but I would like some qualified opinion related to the Act and air operations conducted on private property (private operations is a whole other mess); whether it is, or is not illegal to tow a skier behind a chopper and, is it legal to let the rotor slow down unattended after engine shut down ?.
Can anyone not a bar room barrister assist, because on the face of it, it's mess.
Steam off.
Things that trouble me are:- the TV (media) natural, inherent and commercially driven need to draw attention to their product; the lack of communication in the first place between a named "star" operator and the authority; an finally that none of this is anymore than quasi legal speculation at the moment.
Not one to defend this iteration of CASA, but a 'proper' regulator should (would ?) be given the tapes to help satisfy their questions and if required, lay their charges; I for one would want those charges laid, then proven beyond a reasonable doubt.
But if the tapes disprove the allegations, I want someone's head on a pole for the impost to the country and for being dumb enough to believe everything they see at the movies is real.
I don't believe the disputed 'evidence' can be denied CASA indefinitely, so why bother; except for the obvious reasons. Shades of JQ appear around the edges of this; but I would like some qualified opinion related to the Act and air operations conducted on private property (private operations is a whole other mess); whether it is, or is not illegal to tow a skier behind a chopper and, is it legal to let the rotor slow down unattended after engine shut down ?.
Can anyone not a bar room barrister assist, because on the face of it, it's mess.
Steam off.
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But if the tapes disprove the allegations, I want someone's head on a pole for the impost to the country and for being dumb enough to believe everything they see at the movies is real.
And further more only a complete idiot would imagine that any of this clowns activities could be allowed under any regulatory regime.
Get back to worrying about chemtrails, JQ's supposed birds, and assorted other conspiracy theories that you seem so concerned with.
but I would like some qualified opinion related to the Act and air operations conducted on private property
Bit of a come down isn't it?
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Kharon,
All the TV "footage" or "Images" belong to the production company who it would seem have no desire to hand them over to a 3rd party, i.e, a party not contracted to them.
This creates a problem for CASA, no "footage" = no probable cause = very difficult to prosecute , the DPP would be somewhat reluctant.
So off to the High Court to argue that CASA has a right to the footage so they can use it to establish probable cause and proceed to prosecute.
Difficult argument given the ownership of the footage and no capital crime.
Plenty of precedent says they won't get it !!!!!
All the TV "footage" or "Images" belong to the production company who it would seem have no desire to hand them over to a 3rd party, i.e, a party not contracted to them.
This creates a problem for CASA, no "footage" = no probable cause = very difficult to prosecute , the DPP would be somewhat reluctant.
So off to the High Court to argue that CASA has a right to the footage so they can use it to establish probable cause and proceed to prosecute.
Difficult argument given the ownership of the footage and no capital crime.
Plenty of precedent says they won't get it !!!!!
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Black Adder..sorry hand.
"And who are you to demand anything."
err Pardon??
And who the hell are you to say that?? unless of course
you are a member of the CASA clubs corrupt,unaccountable incompetents.
Even then you have no right.
Last time I checked Australia, despite the efforts of the emasculated Harpy and the rest of her cohorts is still a democracy.
CASA is a government Institution, are you suggesting that a citizen of this country has no right to question the actions of a public institution?
If that is what you believe perhaps the new leader of North Korea would welcome you into his institution, I imagine you'd be exactly the sort of person he'd be looking for
"And who are you to demand anything."
err Pardon??
And who the hell are you to say that?? unless of course
you are a member of the CASA clubs corrupt,unaccountable incompetents.
Even then you have no right.
Last time I checked Australia, despite the efforts of the emasculated Harpy and the rest of her cohorts is still a democracy.
CASA is a government Institution, are you suggesting that a citizen of this country has no right to question the actions of a public institution?
If that is what you believe perhaps the new leader of North Korea would welcome you into his institution, I imagine you'd be exactly the sort of person he'd be looking for
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The rule of Law is paramount here, no matter how desperate CASA might be or how damning the suggested footage is, the real position is the High Court will be asked to test and interprate the Law.
My bet is they will stand with the owner of the footage, not accede to populist opinion but uphold the rights of the owner.
Without mounting a formal legal argument here there are authorities that in the normal course of argument support this position.
Possession is a powerful position.
My bet is they will stand with the owner of the footage, not accede to populist opinion but uphold the rights of the owner.
Without mounting a formal legal argument here there are authorities that in the normal course of argument support this position.
Possession is a powerful position.
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Hang on a sec...........
blackhand, back in your box old bean.....................
Some interesting points raised, mostly about CASA seeking access to the real footage. If you go back to JQ's case, they don't need it, they don't need a successful prosecution! They only need the AAT to tick off their dubious decision which was never tested in a court of law....and thats where it sux for all of us.
blackhand, back in your box old bean.....................
Some interesting points raised, mostly about CASA seeking access to the real footage. If you go back to JQ's case, they don't need it, they don't need a successful prosecution! They only need the AAT to tick off their dubious decision which was never tested in a court of law....and thats where it sux for all of us.
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G'day Thorn Bird
I was replying to The Ferry Man's claim
Which is a most unintelligent statement.
Of course we all should want justice seen to be done.
I would have thought that if it was evidence it would have to be handed over.
But perhaps that applies to police investigations and not CASA investigations.
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And who the hell are you to say that??
I want someone's head on a pole for the impost to the country and for being dumb enough to believe everything they see at the movies is real.
Of course we all should want justice seen to be done.
My bet is they will stand with the owner of the footage, not accede to populist opinion but uphold the rights of the owner.
But perhaps that applies to police investigations and not CASA investigations.
Cheers
BH
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Dueced tricky.
T28D- The rule of Law is paramount here, no matter how desperate CASA might be or how damning the suggested footage is, the real position is the High Court will be asked to test and interpret the Law.
T28D - Without mounting a formal legal argument here there are authorities that in the normal course of argument support this position.
Another thing that puzzles me is that if criminal charges are brought do the rules of disclosure work equally i.e. the defence has to provide 'their discovery' to the prosecution (i.e. the tapes')?. Just these points alone must be worth a new swimming pool and a trip to Europe for some lucky lawyer. ( We are definitely in the wrong profession).
Disclaimer – I am not defending or attacking anyone here, just trying to understand a complex issue which has now made several appearances, to whit; guilty as charged out of a court room with only 'video' evidence.
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Just these points alone must be worth a new swimming pool and a trip to Europe for some lucky lawyer. ( We are definitely in the wrong profession).
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What about the Australian Film Industry. If CASA go Milton and succeed then shouldn't they also go any Aussie made film that shows / depicts some sort of stunt flying?
FWIW my view is the bloke was overflying his own property, no public safety issue.
FWIW my view is the bloke was overflying his own property, no public safety issue.
If CASA go Milton and succeed then shouldn't they also go any Aussie made film that shows / depicts some sort of stunt flying?