Newer vs Older

[kingtoad]

Look carefully at the load carrying capability of a 337 before you do anything too rash. then a comparison to the 210 (esp cost per seat mile ).

[Ex FSO GRIFFO]

There's a selection of 182 / 182RG's here.....add cost of importing etc. for those o/seas....

Just for info...no attachment to company.....

Cessna 182 aircraft for sale - PlaneSales (Australia)
This is already here in OZ.

1984 CESSNA TURBO R182RG SKYLANE Piston Single Aircraft For Sale At Controller.com

Esay to load...and you get to fly 'in de shade'....

Cheers and good hunting.....

[kingtoad]

Again be careful of the load carrying ability of the T182RG. The last one I had anything to do with went something like this ...

Full Fuel + pilot + small esky for lunch = MTOW

Std 182 is much better.

[Tonym3]

Cessna 182 aircraft for sale - PlaneSales (Australia)
This is already here in OZ.

So this 1968 one $100K with new engine

1984 CESSNA TURBO R182RG SKYLANE Piston Single Aircraft For Sale At Controller.com

Call this 1984 one $150K after import, GST, etc. with new engine

At the risk of covering ground already covered in the thread, it is good to make concrete comparisons say to:

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A 1998 one for (negotiable) $240K with 700 hours or so to run.

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A 2003 one with maybe the same times to run for $275K.

Difference in price will be $100-$150K. Call the opportunity cost of capital at a generous 10% per annum = $10-$15K (my investing skills haven't got that result lately but let's imagine things pick up).

The $10-$15K pays a lot of unexpected maintenance but in the meantime the flying is done in something a bit newer and, perhaps, a bit nicer.

In 5 years time, 1968 airframe is almost 50 years old but engine doesn't need overhaul. The 1984 airframe less aged. Arguably however both become less sellable given the likelihood more and more similar older aircraft will come onto the market.

In 5 years time, the 2003 airframe is only 15 years old but either I need to overhaul engine or the price will be reduced by the costs of such an overhaul. So maybe add $30K to the newer ones to do that.

Hence, cost to own newer aircraft (be generous and take the lower differential in cost of capital) = 5 x $10K = $50K plus overhaul $30K = $80K less any difference in maintenance solely caused by aging components (say $20K) = $60K is the price of owning the newer plane.

The older ones will (or should) fall in value given usage and engines being closer to overhaul so maybe take another $5K off the differential.

Perhaps the newer ones aren't more sellable than the older ones in 5 years time but my guess is that they would be. Will the resale price differential between old and new be the roughly $55K. No-one can really guess what the market for old planes will be like in 5 years ime but probably not I suppose.

Ergo - buy good quality older plane.

[Ex FSO GRIFFO]

I have nothing to gain from whichever your decision, however, its worth pointing out that an 'older' straight 182 will carry 4 bums and your luggage at around the same figures as a 'new' one......give or take for inc gross over the years if any.

And depending on the maint etc, it should cost you less to buy, so less to lose later...see your favourite engineer.

And if you have the capability to create a company to run the aeroplane, you might even be able to reclaim the GST??

Just a thought.

Rotsa Ruck..

[baron_beeza]

I look at those websites and see


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Then again I am sure my bias is obvious.