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Well, Mr 'Tony',
If you are interested in that (GOOD) advice, then I would suggest that your search may very well start here.......
CESSNA 210, Used CESSNA 210, CESSNA 210 For Sale At Controller.com - Page 1
Good Luck...... and Caveat Emptor.....and.....Talk to your favourite engineer first..
Cheers
If you are interested in that (GOOD) advice, then I would suggest that your search may very well start here.......
CESSNA 210, Used CESSNA 210, CESSNA 210 For Sale At Controller.com - Page 1
Good Luck...... and Caveat Emptor.....and.....Talk to your favourite engineer first..
Cheers
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We haven't even discussed on-condition engines yet...
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We haven't even discussed on-condition engines yet...
Have owned a few s/e planes privately. This is a multi faceted issue.
1. How much do you want to invest?
2. What is the minimum range you need with a full load?
3. What do you need to carry as a "FULL"load. ie 3pax 60kk luggage?
4. IFR or VFR?
5. Will the a/c be hangared? If not what sort of weather will it be exposed to when parked?
6. Will you be operating out bush or just into sealed airports?
As much as I love the 210 if you only need 4 pax the extra cost of that fold away gear and strutless wing on a 30 year old plane is a potential worry. My true love is likely a 182 - best compromise of all. Even an early 182P in good condition will likely give you half the dramas of a tired 210. Old planes and complex systems are where the dramas start
1. How much do you want to invest?
2. What is the minimum range you need with a full load?
3. What do you need to carry as a "FULL"load. ie 3pax 60kk luggage?
4. IFR or VFR?
5. Will the a/c be hangared? If not what sort of weather will it be exposed to when parked?
6. Will you be operating out bush or just into sealed airports?
As much as I love the 210 if you only need 4 pax the extra cost of that fold away gear and strutless wing on a 30 year old plane is a potential worry. My true love is likely a 182 - best compromise of all. Even an early 182P in good condition will likely give you half the dramas of a tired 210. Old planes and complex systems are where the dramas start
I always use the car analogy.
A 1964 EH holden, no matter how wel restored is just that. Compar it to a new Commodore.
Same goes for an aircraft. My first 3000hrs were in clapped out dungers. Now going to a new C172,, Garmin 1000, Autopilot, nice cabin, great seats. Simply a nice place to be. if only I could have my own.
A 1964 EH holden, no matter how wel restored is just that. Compar it to a new Commodore.
Same goes for an aircraft. My first 3000hrs were in clapped out dungers. Now going to a new C172,, Garmin 1000, Autopilot, nice cabin, great seats. Simply a nice place to be. if only I could have my own.
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Had my own C172H model ('67) for nearly 11 years now and to be truthful hasn't cost me anywhere near what the interest alone would have cost over that time, added to that the $au would have cost me a heap more in loss compared to now .... having said that with the $ where it is today I would love to be able to afford a late model 182 & who knows the ellusive lotto win must be due soon.....
As much as I love the 210 if you only need 4 pax the extra cost of that fold away gear and strutless wing on a 30 year old plane is a potential worry.
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The 210 seems to have legendary status amongst a lot of pilots.
I didn't put it on my list because it looks like a lot of aeroplane for what will mostly be 4 up flying. The 5th and 6th seats for me were just for the occasional short hop trips with a couple of extras.
I confess also to being influenced by wife's preference for the ride in the low wing planes. Not sure why but there it is...
I didn't put it on my list because it looks like a lot of aeroplane for what will mostly be 4 up flying. The 5th and 6th seats for me were just for the occasional short hop trips with a couple of extras.
I confess also to being influenced by wife's preference for the ride in the low wing planes. Not sure why but there it is...
Hmmm, 4 seat low wing, how about Rockwell commander 114 (RC114).
This is my second favourite production aeroplane. Did all of my cpl training and flight test in a 114 in the 80's. Great aircraft to fly and has huge cockpit and double glazing.
Actually I was reminded of this aircraft only yesterday when my son , who is a LAME at APAD, called me and said the 114 that I had done all my training in was at the GA park at Adelaide. I went down and had a look and it had been fully refurbished and looked a million bucks. Wish I could go for a burn in it, had a lot of great trips in that aircraft.
But there's the pilot side of me talking, maintenance would be a nightmare.
This is my second favourite production aeroplane. Did all of my cpl training and flight test in a 114 in the 80's. Great aircraft to fly and has huge cockpit and double glazing.
Actually I was reminded of this aircraft only yesterday when my son , who is a LAME at APAD, called me and said the 114 that I had done all my training in was at the GA park at Adelaide. I went down and had a look and it had been fully refurbished and looked a million bucks. Wish I could go for a burn in it, had a lot of great trips in that aircraft.
But there's the pilot side of me talking, maintenance would be a nightmare.
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Tony
I'm fortunate to have one example chained to the gate post.
(Waiting with interest to hear exactly what the new SiDS programme has in store for us which may sway your views)
Ask your wife to go climbing in and out of the low wing plane fetching gear out of the front and middle rows and the 210 will all of a sudden look sensational.
There are still a few low time originals around. Put it on your short list for sure.
I've been fortunate do to a complete avionics upgrade so the thing owes me more than a cirrus 4 or 5 years old but its now just as advanced in the techno dept and I know what I'd rather fly and what will still be going in anther 20 odd years.
Cheers
I'm fortunate to have one example chained to the gate post.
(Waiting with interest to hear exactly what the new SiDS programme has in store for us which may sway your views)
Ask your wife to go climbing in and out of the low wing plane fetching gear out of the front and middle rows and the 210 will all of a sudden look sensational.
There are still a few low time originals around. Put it on your short list for sure.
I've been fortunate do to a complete avionics upgrade so the thing owes me more than a cirrus 4 or 5 years old but its now just as advanced in the techno dept and I know what I'd rather fly and what will still be going in anther 20 odd years.
Cheers
I confess also to being influenced by wife's preference for the ride in the low wing planes. Not sure why but there it is...
Tonym3 if you only need the four seats and Mrs.T likes the aeroplanes with the wing bolted in the wrong spot, I'd probably plump for the Cirrus.
I normally fly a first generation Cirrus (2003), but I had the oppotunity to fly a new one around 6 months ago and the difference was quite marked.
With the Garmin 1000 package and the digital autopilot that goes with it, along with all the other countless small improvements that have been made along the way, it felt like a different aeroplane. I was impressed.
The 210 panel is the same as the day it left the factory (the only addition a small panel mount GPS, but everything else works), so in that respect it doesn't come close to matching the Cirrus.
Looks like I'll have to start saving for the Garmin 750/Garmin 650 and throw in an Aspen Pro pilot to replace the DG/AH.
Still got the 400B at the bottom of the stack rioncentu?
I was "in between" planes and hired a cirrus for a while to do a trip. I was keen on one but the trip made up my mind. I was a high wing man.
Nah we chucked everything out. Stec 55x at the bottom of the panel now.
I was just prior to the 650/750 evolution so I've already got an "old" panel!!
But the 55x and G500 and digital engine gauges make mine a 210NG (next Gen)
Nah we chucked everything out. Stec 55x at the bottom of the panel now.
I was just prior to the 650/750 evolution so I've already got an "old" panel!!
But the 55x and G500 and digital engine gauges make mine a 210NG (next Gen)
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Yeah, not so sure about the Cirrus. Nice looking aircraft and all, speed great, avionics seem brilliant.
But I understand that the wheels are small and the skirts create trouble with muddy or gravelly strips. They just don't look quite as solid to me. I am also not convinced they'll hold their value as well as a Bo, or a 182. There are some extra costs that are practical certainties that aren't necessarily so on other planes (parachute refurb).
But, as is indicated by all my posts on this thread ... what would I really know.
But I understand that the wheels are small and the skirts create trouble with muddy or gravelly strips. They just don't look quite as solid to me. I am also not convinced they'll hold their value as well as a Bo, or a 182. There are some extra costs that are practical certainties that aren't necessarily so on other planes (parachute refurb).
But, as is indicated by all my posts on this thread ... what would I really know.
No one close to be able to repair the 400b and couldn't have the down time with it being sent away etc.
One thing with the Cirri and anything else with a castoring nose wheel is they are VERY hard to get moving in soft surface or in a rut etc. as there's nothing to keep the plane straight and if one main gets free, you'll do a 180 real quick.
Ask me how I know
One thing with the Cirri and anything else with a castoring nose wheel is they are VERY hard to get moving in soft surface or in a rut etc. as there's nothing to keep the plane straight and if one main gets free, you'll do a 180 real quick.
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One thing with the Cirri and anything else with a castoring nose wheel is they are VERY hard to get moving in soft surface or in a rut etc. as there's nothing to keep the plane straight and if one main gets free, you'll do a 180 real quick.
Ask me how I know
Ask me how I know
oh whoops, can't do that with a single! ha I sound like Wally!
I prefer the multis
When you figure out your price range and narrow down realistic options to suit your needs, and then figure out approximate insurance, running, maintenance and overhaul costs etc, increase your spending budget by at LEAST 25%. If you cannot afford that, you've gotta look for something cheaper, or wait till you can afford it.
Just like buying a "toy" (as opposed to 'working') car/boat/bike etc, there's more to it than just the initial purchase price. Insurance, rego, storage, the required and then the preventative maintenance- and the unexpected.
Start small with that covers your needs. If it falls a bit short of expectations/requirements then that's not going to hurt as much as biting off more than you can chew and possibly getting into a massive financial hole or even pranging it.
Generally speaking, we all spend more than we initially set out to when buying such "want" items!