How long is Australian CPL vailid for?
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"(c) satisfactorily completed aeroplane conversion training given by the holder of a grade of flight instructor (aeroplane) rating that authorises him or her to conduct aeroplane flight reviews;
is taken to have satisfactorily completed an aeroplane flight review.
Note Conversion training given by a person who does not hold a flight instructor (aeroplane) rating must not be substituted for a flight review."
No worries Aussie Bob, I agree it is educational.
Above is 5c, I agree that it looks OK for an AFR [as long as the other paras are satisfied as well!] [Grade 1, AOC etc]
It comes down to the Instructor's signature! Without that you are treading on dangerous ground! That said there would be no reason for them not to sign.
You need to read the whole reg, in isolation paras can be confusing.
is taken to have satisfactorily completed an aeroplane flight review.
Note Conversion training given by a person who does not hold a flight instructor (aeroplane) rating must not be substituted for a flight review."
No worries Aussie Bob, I agree it is educational.
Above is 5c, I agree that it looks OK for an AFR [as long as the other paras are satisfied as well!] [Grade 1, AOC etc]
It comes down to the Instructor's signature! Without that you are treading on dangerous ground! That said there would be no reason for them not to sign.
You need to read the whole reg, in isolation paras can be confusing.
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In terms of interpreting LASORS, I suggest to you Jecuk that an Australian aircraft rating is not valid if the underlying license is out of currency due to the AFR requirement. This is because, in Australia, you could not exercise the privileges of your rating if you had no AFR-currency on your license. If you cannot exercise the privileges of a rating in your home country, you cannot claim it is valid in another country.
JECUK does not want to validate his Oz license - in which case you would be correct - but to obtain a UK JAR licensed based on experience. If he fulfills the experience requirements, IMHO the validity of the license with which he has obtained said experience is irrelevant.
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If you wish to convert your ICAO PPL license to a UK issued JAR PPL license by sitting two exams (air law and human factors), you need to satisfy several experience requirements, LASORS refers (IIRC 100 or 150 hours PIC, x-country time, etc). You will also need a valid JAR/CAA medical.
This thread has worried me somewhat. I too have an Aussie PPL issued in 2002 but that has not been used for some years. My local T.O. informed me I needed to do Air Law and Human Factor Exams only, on the basis of having 150hts tt. On this advice, I have just done both exams, and bought a share in an aircraft insured for instruction purposes, but which I can only fly solo after gaining a JAR PPL.
I planned to do the necessary hours to get me up to speed and then do the skills test.
However I am now not sure if I will need to do all of the exams, or indeed if my 150hrs tt/87ish P.I.C. will be enough for the experience requirement also!
Doh!
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Interesting. Don't have the time to go through all back issues of LASORS, but I'm pretty sure the definition was different in the past (i.e. certain amount of hours PIC, x-country, not just 'pilot').
However, having just had a quick look at LASORS 2010 it says:
Which may be applicable to you. Guess a word with the CP (or a call to Gatwick) might be in order.
However, having just had a quick look at LASORS 2010 it says:
If the ICAO licence has expired and/or no valid aeroplane rating
has been held for a period exceeding 5 years preceding
application, applicants will be required to complete flying
training at the discretion of the Head of Training of the
approved training provider, and pass the PPL(A) Skill Test.
has been held for a period exceeding 5 years preceding
application, applicants will be required to complete flying
training at the discretion of the Head of Training of the
approved training provider, and pass the PPL(A) Skill Test.
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Yes I think that will apply to me. Not that I see that caveat as materially different from the clauses for a licence that has been valid in the last 5 years.
In both circumstances one would need to spend time with an instructor who would have to be satisfied that the required standard had been met prior to skills testing.
It is the theoretical exams where the difference lies since under the "not valid in the last 5 years" clause, one would need to do all the exams, as opposed to two if the the licence has remained valid.
Of course we are back to the argument of whether a ppl from Australia is ever invalid. I have mine in front of me and it clearly states:
CLASSES OF FLIGHT CREW LICENCE HELD:
Private Pilot (aeroplanes) Licence. Issue date: Jan 2002. Expiry Date: Perpetual
OPERATIONAL APPROVALS AND APPOINTMENTS:
PPL(A)L No airspace restrictions. Issued Jan 2002, Expiry Date: Nil.
I think I need to call Gatwick!
In both circumstances one would need to spend time with an instructor who would have to be satisfied that the required standard had been met prior to skills testing.
It is the theoretical exams where the difference lies since under the "not valid in the last 5 years" clause, one would need to do all the exams, as opposed to two if the the licence has remained valid.
Of course we are back to the argument of whether a ppl from Australia is ever invalid. I have mine in front of me and it clearly states:
CLASSES OF FLIGHT CREW LICENCE HELD:
Private Pilot (aeroplanes) Licence. Issue date: Jan 2002. Expiry Date: Perpetual
OPERATIONAL APPROVALS AND APPOINTMENTS:
PPL(A)L No airspace restrictions. Issued Jan 2002, Expiry Date: Nil.
I think I need to call Gatwick!
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O.K. Off the phone from the C.A.A. The very helpful and pleasant lady says that:
a) It is total time that counts not only P.I.C. etc.
b) That as long as the licence remains valid, one only has to do the two exams. I pressed on this point and was told that if the licence clearly states "perpetual" and "expiry nil", then "no-one would argue it was invalid".
However I am going to email in for written confirmation.
a) It is total time that counts not only P.I.C. etc.
b) That as long as the licence remains valid, one only has to do the two exams. I pressed on this point and was told that if the licence clearly states "perpetual" and "expiry nil", then "no-one would argue it was invalid".
However I am going to email in for written confirmation.
