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Old 11th Sep 2012, 07:25
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Kharon,

Could it be in the SA region?

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Old 11th Sep 2012, 08:22
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Nope,

Sorry Joe, but you will admit - it could have been. It all sounds so familiar, ne cest pas.

LS started it; Continental, so we get to amble along behind this Tuesday.

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Old 11th Sep 2012, 16:22
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ATPL Flight Planning Exam -
  1. Asks the questions that were relevant to this flight.
  2. time allowed for the exam (ie "planning") 3 hours
  3. candidates, who have studied for months on this particular exam, with short cuts and prior notice of most of the questions, who complete the exam in the time allotted - about 80%?

Does that prepare anyone who actually has to manually plan jet ops in the real world?
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Old 11th Sep 2012, 21:04
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OK. For the coveted 'Choccy Frog' which accident does it refer to??.
Although it could be any number of 'fatal prangs' in say the last thirty years, there are some pretty strong indicators in the passage of text that would place it within the last ten years but before the initiation of the ATSB/CASA MOU.

So my bet is with Lockhart River, as the tactics employed (back then) by CASA legal were very much like those mentioned in that passage i.e. three words obfuscation, obfuscation and obfuscation!

These days the 'obfuscation' is very much simplified by the MOU, as they now no longer have to convince the bureau anymore...hmm just like the AAT CASA legal have also got the state coroner's court system sussed!

So do I get my Freddo??
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Old 11th Sep 2012, 22:42
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Ah, well, yes but.

(Bad German accent) – Zo, Herr Sarcs: you vish the chocolate frog, to claim. Ziz is OK but; zere is ze matter of ze finen printen.

Now, you must find three uzzers to support your claim; unt, zey must be able, through zer teeth, to tell ze porky pies. Zis vay – ze prize you vill vin.
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Old 11th Sep 2012, 23:49
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Oh where is Saur Kraut when you need him? Ok drum roll....or this

Can anyone help me out here??...I promise you half a frog head! Or is it going to be a case of..

Don't like my chances "K" but we were over due a Nazi reference!

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Old 12th Sep 2012, 00:23
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Bugger Sarcs beat me to it, now I'm totally stumpted.
Leadie I stand corrected and apologise profusly to the ex RAAF
baggage orderer...which of course makes him eminently qualified
to assess all things aviation and preside as prosecuter, judge, jury and executioner.Heard he was rather proud of the number of people he'd managed to throw out of work.
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Old 12th Sep 2012, 10:47
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Wink Who and Where video

Kharon...

Priceless!

Is Dolan the one who gets hit in the balls at 0:21?
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Old 12th Sep 2012, 11:09
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Originally Posted by Checkboard
ATPL Flight Planning Exam -
  1. Asks the questions that were relevant to this flight.
  2. time allowed for the exam (ie "planning") 3 hours
  3. candidates, who have studied for months on this particular exam, with short cuts and prior notice of most of the questions, who complete the exam in the time allotted - about 80%?

Does that prepare anyone who actually has to manually plan jet ops in the real world?
ATPL Flight planning exam has been pulled until further notice!!

Any connection??

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Old 12th Sep 2012, 13:55
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WTF

I was told today that the PIC had to re-sit a number of ATPL exams as a result of CASA action - he passed all with flying colours. ATPL NAV was not one CASA asked for! This is where CPs, PNRs are examined! Did the Loadmaster direct this???

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Old 12th Sep 2012, 20:02
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bdcer - that's a work of art!

FS - Was that an investigator's course? (Or curse of course).

CS -Is Dolan the one who gets hit in the balls at 0:21? (Nope - No cohones available).

Sarcs # 335 - Don't like my chances "K" but we were over due a Nazi reference.

Soft porn Nazi don't really qualify, do they? Mods a ruling please. There's a Choccy Frog at stake.
Glad you liked it. (K takes small bow, swirls cape and exits: stage left) Sounds of galloping horses fading away.

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Old 12th Sep 2012, 20:15
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Rude questions

CB # 332 - Does that prepare anyone who actually has to manually plan jet ops in the real world?
This is as big a debate as the hand flying skills v auto flight. Both valid and worthy of serious consideration.

TK # 338 -ATPL Flight planning exam has been pulled until further notice!!
Have another look, a carefull look at the 'he who will not be shamed' interview on the ABC for questions without answers. I know, big ask.

ABC interview

Jinglie # 339 - Did the Loadmaster direct this???
The BKLM, I'd say not; probably recommended by some genius in the pencil sharpening cupboard. But it is noteworthy that the same manager ran both the PA and the Airtex audits. The results were so very different. Maybe I'll dig up the paper work on both and have a long hard look. The parallels, on the surface at least are remarkable.

There are so many questions surrounding the conduct of business in the Sydney region. Something ain't just quite kosher in Denmark.

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Old 13th Sep 2012, 00:15
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But it is noteworthy that the same manager ran both the PA and the Airtex audits. The results were so very different.
Maybe there is a difference to how the respective organisations reacted to the audit? The PA CASA audit seems to indicate 100% cooperation, does the Airtex one? PA had a very big brother with deep pockets to back up their promises. Said big brother also has a good relationship with CASA and runs a very tight, compliant and safe ship (its apparently about the only charge their employees don't level at them).

Also to compare apples with apples; didn't Airtex get a special audit and were allowed to operate after their Metro fatal accident? If PA had another accident (and of course we all hope this never happens) would you expect them to retain an AOC?

If you argue that PA should have lost their AOC after Norfolk (and maybe they should have) shouldn't you argue that Airtex should have after the Metro accident?
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Old 13th Sep 2012, 02:04
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LB# 342 - If you argue that PA should have lost their AOC after Norfolk.

K # 341 - The parallels, on the surface at least are remarkable.
Lester - Agree completely; just saying, up front there are some remarkable similarities; same as the D. James and J. Quadrio license issues. It's just a small piece of what is an interesting event, for many reasons. So, I will gather what data is available and have a look. No conclusions drawn as yet.
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Old 13th Sep 2012, 03:54
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"K" said - same as the D. James and J. Quadrio license issues
An apparent difference is that Dom talked straight, whilst J Quadrio vacillated
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Old 13th Sep 2012, 08:05
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big word that...

...vacillated. Please BH expound on detail you know and further, on that.

You dont mean when shown a doctored video of a flight that looked like one of hundreds that he had done in the past...that he wasnt sure it was even him that was "alleged" to have done it.

Oh right.!. as per the CASA MO..with the very experienced and supremely knowledgable FOIs (sic)... this is a black mark FFS???
All criminal obfusticate, THEY know, of course !

Just of recent weeks, a LAME person told it "straight" and true to another ex AFP wally "investigator" (sic)... and gets hit with pages of accusations and threats to licences and livelihood...and there hasnt even been a proper investigation done yet FFS.
HUGE Laugh from the assembled GA industry..AND the bent helicopter being THE PRIME evidence is parted out and trucked away...!!

Two issues once againshow out of this.

1... DO NOT say ANYTHING to these people ..in good faith or otherwise, without first consulting a lawyer.

2. Its another classic example of the ex-cop staff, going for broke over something they know nothing about , when their only interest is getting a "kill", which is what they like to do.

It proves once again that the "investigation"(sic) arm of CASA must be axed off to an INDEPENDANT body...that conducts THOROUGH and proper investigations, into any alleged breaches, FIRST. BEFORE the stress and angst to, and dollars flow from,.... the WRONG or intended victim. This current BULLSH*T has to STOP. !

Folk familiar with the CASA star re "Keeping up with the Jones's" Saga.
Same perp, different film set. And its all turning to SH*T
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Old 13th Sep 2012, 09:30
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Can't say – not warned.

Often licked: But NEVER beaten. Go Pruners. Great job.


Ben Sandilands - 1st again.
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Old 13th Sep 2012, 10:00
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Major breakthrough. It won't die. Senator X tabled a motion in the Senate and had it voted unamiuosly today. Senate Inqiury into this report coming! Brilliant.
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Senate Inquiry Yeehah!

Well it's about bloody time! Hopefully Senator X, Senator Fawcett and Senator Eggleston will maintain the rage throughout!

Top down clean out and no holds barred!
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Yup, despite being blinded by white paper; it will not be so easy to pull the wool over their eyes again. Phelan has published an introductory piece, gives a flavour of the thing.
Phelan – Aviation Advertiser.

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