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And whos to say they are Not low level endorsed, or military fast jet pilots during their day job, and are quite comfortable doing the same at 500kts?
and after reading some of the crap on this thread, its easy to see who would be good company at the bar, those who have lived, and those who are bitter and twisted wishing they could have lived and known how to have fun. there even video of guys doing the exact same thing as the trike pilot, but in a 747! we can't we all just appreciate the video for what it is someone actually having FUN while flying, now theres a novel thought...
and after reading some of the crap on this thread, its easy to see who would be good company at the bar, those who have lived, and those who are bitter and twisted wishing they could have lived and known how to have fun. there even video of guys doing the exact same thing as the trike pilot, but in a 747! we can't we all just appreciate the video for what it is someone actually having FUN while flying, now theres a novel thought...
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When i see these video's it reminds me of why we do this, and i think some of you long into a tedious RPT career have forgotten these motives. Why can't we watch some one on a beautiful video bashing a cloud in the middle of nowhere, or some clown beating up the beach in another country without picking the crap out of it. I loved it, and great to see some flying out of the box. Nothing terribly unsafe there. Enjoy flying....Isn't that why we got into it?? Certainly wasn't for the money haha
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I’m sorry but that is just plain BS. It is because of the lessons learnt by those that have preceded both you and I that we have the rules we have. All I see in videos like this are a bunch of idiots flying aircraft driven by testosterone and a rush of blood to weenie sized brains rather than a well planned and executed flying display with strategic ways out if all doesn’t go to plan. Namibia isn’t known for its aviation safety and this video confirms it.
Regarding the nupty flying his trike outside the rules governing VFR flight, you may have removed the offending video but unfortunately for you, you haven’t removed the evidence. It is quite clear from the HD video that you were flying at up to 10100 ft in violation of the VFR. These rules apply to all of Australia’s airspace, not just the busy parts and displays at least a flagrant recklessness on your part and raises serious questions as to your suitability to maintain your position as a CFI licensed under the HGFA. If the HGFA doesn’t take action against you then in my opinion CASA should. Just because others have been just as reckless as you doesn’t make it OK. Unfortunately for you the evidence is there and in my opinion an example should be made of you.
When i see these video's it reminds me of why we do this, and i think some of you long into a tedious RPT career have forgotten these motives.
Regarding the nupty flying his trike outside the rules governing VFR flight, you may have removed the offending video but unfortunately for you, you haven’t removed the evidence. It is quite clear from the HD video that you were flying at up to 10100 ft in violation of the VFR. These rules apply to all of Australia’s airspace, not just the busy parts and displays at least a flagrant recklessness on your part and raises serious questions as to your suitability to maintain your position as a CFI licensed under the HGFA. If the HGFA doesn’t take action against you then in my opinion CASA should. Just because others have been just as reckless as you doesn’t make it OK. Unfortunately for you the evidence is there and in my opinion an example should be made of you.
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And whos to say they are Not low level endorsed, or military fast jet pilots during their day job, and are quite comfortable doing the same at 500kts?
and after reading some of the crap on this thread, its easy to see who would be good company at the bar, those who have lived, and those who are bitter and twisted wishing they could have lived and known how to have fun. there even video of guys doing the exact same thing as the trike pilot, but in a 747! we can't we all just appreciate the video for what it is someone actually having FUN while flying, now theres a novel thought...
and after reading some of the crap on this thread, its easy to see who would be good company at the bar, those who have lived, and those who are bitter and twisted wishing they could have lived and known how to have fun. there even video of guys doing the exact same thing as the trike pilot, but in a 747! we can't we all just appreciate the video for what it is someone actually having FUN while flying, now theres a novel thought...
The sort of profiles a fast jet pilot is likely to fly would be far more risk managed than a simple "hey let's see how low we can fly". There is a huge difference between the average joe punter in his C210 beating the beejesus out of everything he sees, and the professional aviator that is doing the job for a specific reason. Hours upon hours of map recce, flight planning, mission orders and mission rehearsals go into an average low level sortie (for mil ops). Not too mention the stringent SOP's and rigorous training and checking and retraining that goes on. Then there is the authorisation process which risk manages even further. That's even before an engine is turned.I have spent a good chunk of my last 1300 hrs at 200 feet or below. It is a busy place and not very much time is given over to "wazzing" The crew is constantly considering options for the "what if's?" What are my escape options? How high can I climb? Which side of the valley do I fly down? Who am I calling in an emergency and on what radio? Whats the heading to fly if we go IMC? The list is endless.
So those are just some of the differences between the "hey let's have a go at this" approach (ie the novice who has had very little time to appreciate the wider consequences of his/her actions) and the "ok we have a job to do at low level or in form in a high risk environment, let's do it properly" approach (ie the pro who takes his/her time in examining as many of the possible outcomes as possible, then applies appropriate risk management plan...then rehearses...then fixes the plan..need I go on?)
The last thing I want to see when I am getting around at 50' while I am trying to get to a target...on time...in formation...whilst managing the tactical scenario, is for some clown crest the hill in front of me at zot feet having some "fun"
As for the poor old IFR jockey who has just on the end of his 5th sector for the day joining the arc for his umteenth approach this week, he/she does not expect to see old mate VFR hanging about a bit of fluffy cu as they commence the descent.
The same principles apply, they are busy getting on with the JOB of flying.
As for being good company, love to hear about exploits as much as the next bloke over a beer...from those who have a sound appreciation of what could go wrong. I still love my flying, I just have a very grown up approach to it. I have scared the cr@p out of myself and had others do the same.
Someone get me a ladder... I need to climb off this high horse..
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Sorry to intrude on this supremacist IFR commercial pilot love in, but I have a few musings that I've noted below.
You've broken the rules, I've broken the rules, Mr Chopper has broken the rules, Mr Hang Glider has broken the rules. Heck Mr Jetstar, Mr Virgin and even Mr Qantas have broken the rules. At what point do you decide your rule breaking is different to Mr Hang Glider? Indeed to the point where you feel you need to dob him in? Did you dob yourself in when you broke the rules? Will you? Will you dob in a mate? Or just this guy because he's an easy target, even if he is on the other side on the continent. Why stop there? What about all the military jets (not just fast jets) buzzing their mates in the desert? Might want to get going on that too. What about the driver on their phone? Dob them in too, they'll definitely kill you faster that a guy in a hang glider 5000km away. What about alcohol? That'll kill you.
People don't always understand the gravity of decisions they make at that very point in time, indeed it may take a long time for them to realise that they probably shouldn't have done what they did and they'll make an effort to better themselves the next time it happens. Are you the person to make that decision? Why? Because your life is at risk? Look around, I think they call it 'life'. It'll end in a flash, and the least likely place it'll end is while sitting on your arse 'on the clocks' while punching through a bit of fair weather cu at 5000 on the extremities of the WA coast. I want to mitigate risk I hear you say, then take everyone out of the air, including yourself.
In aviation you meet some really great people, and there are always others you just want to get away from really, really bloody quickly. It seems this thread has gathered them all in together, for a party. Don't dance though, bloody slippery these floors.
Follow the rules as you always will, just like the rest of us. And always remember, for every 1 video on youtube of a guy pushing that rule, some rule, any rule, there are a million instances of it going on off air, by people like you.
You've broken the rules, I've broken the rules, Mr Chopper has broken the rules, Mr Hang Glider has broken the rules. Heck Mr Jetstar, Mr Virgin and even Mr Qantas have broken the rules. At what point do you decide your rule breaking is different to Mr Hang Glider? Indeed to the point where you feel you need to dob him in? Did you dob yourself in when you broke the rules? Will you? Will you dob in a mate? Or just this guy because he's an easy target, even if he is on the other side on the continent. Why stop there? What about all the military jets (not just fast jets) buzzing their mates in the desert? Might want to get going on that too. What about the driver on their phone? Dob them in too, they'll definitely kill you faster that a guy in a hang glider 5000km away. What about alcohol? That'll kill you.
People don't always understand the gravity of decisions they make at that very point in time, indeed it may take a long time for them to realise that they probably shouldn't have done what they did and they'll make an effort to better themselves the next time it happens. Are you the person to make that decision? Why? Because your life is at risk? Look around, I think they call it 'life'. It'll end in a flash, and the least likely place it'll end is while sitting on your arse 'on the clocks' while punching through a bit of fair weather cu at 5000 on the extremities of the WA coast. I want to mitigate risk I hear you say, then take everyone out of the air, including yourself.
In aviation you meet some really great people, and there are always others you just want to get away from really, really bloody quickly. It seems this thread has gathered them all in together, for a party. Don't dance though, bloody slippery these floors.
Follow the rules as you always will, just like the rest of us. And always remember, for every 1 video on youtube of a guy pushing that rule, some rule, any rule, there are a million instances of it going on off air, by people like you.
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Jeez, what self-righteous, micro-managing bores some of you are.
Looking at some of the manoeuvres flown by the 210 guys over the sand, I'd be willing to bet a fair few $$s they are military trained and have a pretty good idea of how to operate at low level. But don't let me stop 'experts' pontificating and having a 'go' because the 'sinners' are flying GA aircraft
Clearly the military has changed then. Once upon a time (not that long ago either), one was expected to receive the targets and within 2 hours be dropping bombs/simulated bombs on them. There wasn't time for map recce or rehearsals, you plotted the targets, joined them up with a low level line on the map and, much more importantly, spent time on the weaponry. Low level flying was/is just a means to an end. The point is to get the bombs on target on time and the bit in between is just SOP. Spend time trying to plan every aspect of every mission and you'd become as inflexible, unimaginative and, frankly, as useless as the US Air Force who can't do anything 'outside the box'.
But that's enough of the military side of things; I look forward to reading how you can't possibly do anything without planning to the Nth degree and ensuring you are regulated to do so. I suggest some of you forget flying and either take up a Government job where you can dissect every aspect of a flight, even though you weren't there but are jolly good at studying UTube or write a book citing implausible scenarios where someone perhaps, maybe didn't fly straight, level and in a nice straight line in Class G
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Looking at some of the manoeuvres flown by the 210 guys over the sand, I'd be willing to bet a fair few $$s they are military trained and have a pretty good idea of how to operate at low level. But don't let me stop 'experts' pontificating and having a 'go' because the 'sinners' are flying GA aircraft
Hours upon hours of map recce, flight planning, mission orders and mission rehearsals go into an average low level sortie (for mil ops).
But that's enough of the military side of things; I look forward to reading how you can't possibly do anything without planning to the Nth degree and ensuring you are regulated to do so. I suggest some of you forget flying and either take up a Government job where you can dissect every aspect of a flight, even though you weren't there but are jolly good at studying UTube or write a book citing implausible scenarios where someone perhaps, maybe didn't fly straight, level and in a nice straight line in Class G
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Well said Bing!
Not sure where or when we Australians became overwhelmed by wowsers? I thought we put them to bed back in the last century. (next they'll make sensible people put silly dayglo surcoats on to make them think it will stop them from walking under an aeroplane!
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Hopefully, deep down, most Aussie pilots still have enough self belief to realise it is their skill at flying which will save them, rather than a continual battle to stay on an extremely narrow set of rails defined by series of regulatory documents which are clearly not meant to be referred to in flight because they are written for lawyers and not pilots.
On the topic of the imminent collision with a hang glider? One day it will probably happen, but I do not believe it is likely enough to lose sleep over. Not at all sure we should try to regulate every risk out of our lives, and I certainly believe we are regulating too much right now. The chance of the hang glider hit happening to any individual is pretty slim...definitely not worth any of the angst displayed on this thread.
More broadly, this forum seems to be filled with people trying to cite regulations as a means of ruling everyone else out of the sky. Well I haven't heard of a massive increase in G class airspace mid air collisions of late so wonder why we have developed such overstated "risk awareness." When considering the amount of flying that does go on, there never have been many mid airs in Australia. That is despite the fact we all seem to agree there was more flying going on in the past! If anything, because there are fewer aeroplanes and less flying these days, maybe we should consider significant de-regulation?!
Anyway, knowing what pilots of all makes and models do for kicks (naughty little tikes), I am thinking it isn't the regulations saving us, more likely a big empty sky, and occasionally falling back on common sense.
Not sure where or when we Australians became overwhelmed by wowsers? I thought we put them to bed back in the last century. (next they'll make sensible people put silly dayglo surcoats on to make them think it will stop them from walking under an aeroplane!
) Hopefully, deep down, most Aussie pilots still have enough self belief to realise it is their skill at flying which will save them, rather than a continual battle to stay on an extremely narrow set of rails defined by series of regulatory documents which are clearly not meant to be referred to in flight because they are written for lawyers and not pilots.
On the topic of the imminent collision with a hang glider? One day it will probably happen, but I do not believe it is likely enough to lose sleep over. Not at all sure we should try to regulate every risk out of our lives, and I certainly believe we are regulating too much right now. The chance of the hang glider hit happening to any individual is pretty slim...definitely not worth any of the angst displayed on this thread.
More broadly, this forum seems to be filled with people trying to cite regulations as a means of ruling everyone else out of the sky. Well I haven't heard of a massive increase in G class airspace mid air collisions of late so wonder why we have developed such overstated "risk awareness." When considering the amount of flying that does go on, there never have been many mid airs in Australia. That is despite the fact we all seem to agree there was more flying going on in the past! If anything, because there are fewer aeroplanes and less flying these days, maybe we should consider significant de-regulation?!
Anyway, knowing what pilots of all makes and models do for kicks (naughty little tikes), I am thinking it isn't the regulations saving us, more likely a big empty sky, and occasionally falling back on common sense.
Well I haven't heard of a massive increase in G class airspace mid air collisions of late so wonder why we have developed such overstated "risk awareness."
Got a risk of hurting yourself? Don't use your head, hire an OH&S person to write you a manual!
