Is Australia its own Worst Enemy?
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I've had enough of this nonsense.
I do not wish to debate politics, As an Officer I was told that was not discussed at the table ( the assumption being that you were all ultra conservative in any case), I was seriously interested in a thread with professional interest, but have been told I am wrong about everything by the resident experts?!? , how and what i should be thinking, who I should be supporting politically, and how I should be conducting my employer's business.
Sorry F & S, but I will take my CEO's guidance in preference, and thus hereby withdraw from the utter farce that this thread has descended into.
Thanks for your profound and intelligent discourse. That was sarcasm by the way. Most people would comprehend that, but I thought that I might just need to point it out to you guys.
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- Not Left......... Not Right........ but a moderate pragmatist... (or commo as frank thinks), and No Frank/Slasher, I am not an fundamental Islamic Illegal boat arrival who is unmarried to a lesbian, conservationist indigenous whale, just a Ppilot.
I do not wish to debate politics, As an Officer I was told that was not discussed at the table ( the assumption being that you were all ultra conservative in any case), I was seriously interested in a thread with professional interest, but have been told I am wrong about everything by the resident experts?!? , how and what i should be thinking, who I should be supporting politically, and how I should be conducting my employer's business.
Sorry F & S, but I will take my CEO's guidance in preference, and thus hereby withdraw from the utter farce that this thread has descended into.
Thanks for your profound and intelligent discourse. That was sarcasm by the way. Most people would comprehend that, but I thought that I might just need to point it out to you guys.
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- Not Left......... Not Right........ but a moderate pragmatist... (or commo as frank thinks), and No Frank/Slasher, I am not an fundamental Islamic Illegal boat arrival who is unmarried to a lesbian, conservationist indigenous whale, just a Ppilot.
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Are you left handed or a vegan by any chance?
I note you are stuttering.
Or perhaps so blinded as to not see the wood for the carbon absorbing oxygen releasing trees and the elements table, obviously blind guessed ratio, of the atmosphere which we need to provide stimulus for the urge to breathe which is provided by CO2?
Have you ever hyperventilated? (no not on the dunny).
Have you ever dived in the real ocean?
Are you now getting dizzy?
Oh, and;
Just before you go, do you remember Compass Airlines? Their debts were as a result of unpaid Air Nav Charges, (a bit like a carbon tax, money for nothing), otherwise they were solvent.
How hard would it have been for the little silver bodgie to forgo his mates pleasure for his favours, and waive the charges to keep the airline and all it's employees in a job?
No, don't bother unless you are sincere about being a moderate pragmatist.
(something I pride myself on so we should be kindred spirits).
(And that's if your'e not offended by a subtle spiritual nuance).
(And that's if your'e still with us).
I note you are stuttering.
Or perhaps so blinded as to not see the wood for the carbon absorbing oxygen releasing trees and the elements table, obviously blind guessed ratio, of the atmosphere which we need to provide stimulus for the urge to breathe which is provided by CO2?
Have you ever hyperventilated? (no not on the dunny).
Have you ever dived in the real ocean?
Are you now getting dizzy?
Oh, and;
Just before you go, do you remember Compass Airlines? Their debts were as a result of unpaid Air Nav Charges, (a bit like a carbon tax, money for nothing), otherwise they were solvent.
How hard would it have been for the little silver bodgie to forgo his mates pleasure for his favours, and waive the charges to keep the airline and all it's employees in a job?
No, don't bother unless you are sincere about being a moderate pragmatist.
(something I pride myself on so we should be kindred spirits).
(And that's if your'e not offended by a subtle spiritual nuance).
(And that's if your'e still with us).
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On (Melbourne) Fairfax radio today, supposedly from two separate sources, a backroom labor plan to leave la Gillard in place to introduce the unpopular carbon tax and then ditch her (a la South Australia, NSW and Federally) just before the election and replace her with.... Simon bloody Crean!!!
Good on you HarleyD for doing your bit to fix up this country's balance of trade.
I agree with much of your sentiment - i.e. just get on and do something, however many Australians don't see it this way. Moreover, quite a few of them wish to put their hands in one's pocket to help finance solutions to "problems", at least as they perceive them to be.
There was an interesting bio in the Fin Review about Graeme Woods, the founder of Wotif and his penchant for supporting the Greens. Now, don't get me wrong - he's welcome to do what he wishes, but his motive is pure communist (i.e. "I'll commandeer your resources to fix up the world to my way of thinking"). He blatently proclaims that the millions he invested into the Greens election campaign has rewarded him with billions of investment in green energy technologies. (via Julia's Carbon Tax)
OK, so if he was a real captain of industry, rather than a one-hit wonder he appears to me to be, he'd be firing up his next business venture into green energy himself, getting private and institutional investors to back him, rather than holding a gun to the nation's collective head and forcing them to pay for it whether they believe in it or not.
See, that's the problem with government (and a big problem when it's big government) - you get bad ideas being funded out of political expediency (NBN anyone?) where good ideas would normally flourish and meet the real need.
Forget politics and the government - get rid of it altogether! (or at least as much as we can)
I agree with much of your sentiment - i.e. just get on and do something, however many Australians don't see it this way. Moreover, quite a few of them wish to put their hands in one's pocket to help finance solutions to "problems", at least as they perceive them to be.
There was an interesting bio in the Fin Review about Graeme Woods, the founder of Wotif and his penchant for supporting the Greens. Now, don't get me wrong - he's welcome to do what he wishes, but his motive is pure communist (i.e. "I'll commandeer your resources to fix up the world to my way of thinking"). He blatently proclaims that the millions he invested into the Greens election campaign has rewarded him with billions of investment in green energy technologies. (via Julia's Carbon Tax)
OK, so if he was a real captain of industry, rather than a one-hit wonder he appears to me to be, he'd be firing up his next business venture into green energy himself, getting private and institutional investors to back him, rather than holding a gun to the nation's collective head and forcing them to pay for it whether they believe in it or not.
See, that's the problem with government (and a big problem when it's big government) - you get bad ideas being funded out of political expediency (NBN anyone?) where good ideas would normally flourish and meet the real need.
Forget politics and the government - get rid of it altogether! (or at least as much as we can)
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Fairfax radio today, supposedly from two separate sources, a backroom labor plan to leave la Gillard in place to introduce the unpopular carbon tax and then ditch her
Gillard is the best assett the Liberals have.
Crean is just as mad, but more convincing that his presence may induce a Labor sympathy vote.
It's the GREEN's, (and a few mindless independents), that need political geonicide.
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Gentlemen, if this thread was running on Jet Blast it would have led to the banishment of several posters. The rather ridiculous partisanship being shown has nothing to do with aviation in Australia.
Mark Twain once said that we get the government we deserve. It may profit us to consider that and reflect that we choose our governments. May I suggest that the politics be left out and the discussion and return to the character traits of Australians - not their politics.
Mark Twain once said that we get the government we deserve. It may profit us to consider that and reflect that we choose our governments. May I suggest that the politics be left out and the discussion and return to the character traits of Australians - not their politics.
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Plovett,
the character traits of aussies and our politcians are so intertwined that you cannot possibly have a discussion about one without talking about the other..,................
What would be nice tho is for people to manage their responses a little better to avoid personal attacks.
Sure state your point of view, ask questions, but avoid denigrating those that share a differing view. Often asking questions relevant to that opposing view will lead to some education on both parties account.
cheers
Jas
(ps I am a Virgo, i should be a pessimist, but i prefer to find the balance)
the character traits of aussies and our politcians are so intertwined that you cannot possibly have a discussion about one without talking about the other..,................
What would be nice tho is for people to manage their responses a little better to avoid personal attacks.
Sure state your point of view, ask questions, but avoid denigrating those that share a differing view. Often asking questions relevant to that opposing view will lead to some education on both parties account.
cheers
Jas
(ps I am a Virgo, i should be a pessimist, but i prefer to find the balance)
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Unfortunately PLovett everything that happens in this country, or any other, is inextricably linked to politics. This is particularly so when the politics of a country impinges so much on everyday life. It is even more so when the politics is in such a parlous state that it is currently in Australia and impinges to a huge degree on the way that each individual and business conducts their affairs.
It is unfortunate that the dysfunctional and incompetent mob who took over in 2007 (and that is not to say that the previous mob weren't heading that way) have polarised Australian political opinion to such an extent that the likes of HarleyD have pulled the pin on discourse despite being able to put his points across in a relatively dispassionate and well argued manner. Fortunately the goadings from the sidelines from the likes of Finally The Truth and Deep Sea Racing Prawn (fully paid up members of the ALP far left it would appear) have failed to ignite the hoped for stoush which would get this thread closed down in the same way as the Cane Toad Wheel.
So, yes, by all means concentrate on those things that we don't do well, and hopefully concentrate on those that we do do well but politics cannot be excluded.
It is unfortunate that the dysfunctional and incompetent mob who took over in 2007 (and that is not to say that the previous mob weren't heading that way) have polarised Australian political opinion to such an extent that the likes of HarleyD have pulled the pin on discourse despite being able to put his points across in a relatively dispassionate and well argued manner. Fortunately the goadings from the sidelines from the likes of Finally The Truth and Deep Sea Racing Prawn (fully paid up members of the ALP far left it would appear) have failed to ignite the hoped for stoush which would get this thread closed down in the same way as the Cane Toad Wheel.
So, yes, by all means concentrate on those things that we don't do well, and hopefully concentrate on those that we do do well but politics cannot be excluded.
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I find it interesting that the current Aus. Govn. is talking up a Very Fast Train project (East Coast only, Bris-Syd-CB-MEL) with costs around $106 Billion. A VFT will require a stack of electricity to run.
How will we provide the required power to run it, if the Greens/ALP no longer like coal fired power stations?
How can you introduce a carbon tax, supposedly to reduce Co2 emissions, then talk up a VFT that will use **** tins of electricity from coal fired stations ? Do they think the lovely wind turbines will run it?
Whats going on ?
How will we provide the required power to run it, if the Greens/ALP no longer like coal fired power stations?
How can you introduce a carbon tax, supposedly to reduce Co2 emissions, then talk up a VFT that will use **** tins of electricity from coal fired stations ? Do they think the lovely wind turbines will run it?
Whats going on ?
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The former. However I believe he simply continued what Goofy started. Actually everyone since Goofy seemed to be in a race to see who could do the most damage.
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Who was it who said on this or the other thread "What's the bet not one will ever be deported to Malaysia."?
Labor's Malaysia Solution all at sea as High Court action stops deportations | The Australian
"15 to 16" single men? On an A320??? Good to see someone in aviation is profiting from this sorry mess. I suppose all the other seats would have been taken up by the hundred plus Federal Policemen it would have taken to keep the "15 or 16" under control before and during the flight.
Someone has said it before me, but it's worth repeating - all the so-called "Malaysia solution" will achieve is Australia receiving 4800 extra refugees and asylum seekers, the 4000 Bowen and Gillard have agreed to take whatever the outcome of the swap (or non-swap) of the 800 ILLEGALS, plus the 800 (and who knows how many more) who will never be sent to, or accepted by, Malaysia.
The Cassanova Government indeed.
Labor's Malaysia Solution all at sea as High Court action stops deportations | The Australian
REFUGEE advocates last night struck a heavy blow against the Gillard government's Malaysia Solution, with Melbourne lawyer David Manne winning a High Court injunction to prevent the deportation of more than 100 asylum-seekers scheduled to begin today.
With the Australian Federal Police pooling their numbers on Christmas Island ahead of the deportations, High Court judge Ken Hayne granted an interim order preventing their removal from Australia.
Mr Manne's last-minute bid came as authorities hoped to fly 15 to 16 single men to Malaysia today and came just hours after authorities intercepted another boatload of asylum-seekers - the second to arrive since the government finalised its deal with Malaysia last Monday. At least four unaccompanied children were on the boat, in what will be the latest test of the Gillard government's promise that "no blanket exemptions" will apply to its policy.
With the Australian Federal Police pooling their numbers on Christmas Island ahead of the deportations, High Court judge Ken Hayne granted an interim order preventing their removal from Australia.
Mr Manne's last-minute bid came as authorities hoped to fly 15 to 16 single men to Malaysia today and came just hours after authorities intercepted another boatload of asylum-seekers - the second to arrive since the government finalised its deal with Malaysia last Monday. At least four unaccompanied children were on the boat, in what will be the latest test of the Gillard government's promise that "no blanket exemptions" will apply to its policy.
Someone has said it before me, but it's worth repeating - all the so-called "Malaysia solution" will achieve is Australia receiving 4800 extra refugees and asylum seekers, the 4000 Bowen and Gillard have agreed to take whatever the outcome of the swap (or non-swap) of the 800 ILLEGALS, plus the 800 (and who knows how many more) who will never be sent to, or accepted by, Malaysia.
The Cassanova Government indeed.
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Fix what??? An exchange of ideas? Not happy that someone disagrees with your line? Want to shut down criticism of this dysfunctional government?
Or is it a plea to merge two similar threads?
Or is it a plea to merge two similar threads?
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Either you Mr Moderator fix this, or I'm off along with HarleyD
And for those who follow the polls, our preferred Labor PM's are Rudd at 30%, Gillard at 12%, and at 11% who would have guessed, Malcolm Turnbull.
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"An exchange of ideas?"
"Robust debate"
You wont find any of that in this 'cauldron of conservatism'.
Anyone who has a view that differs from the hardline right-wingers is simply shot down in flames, not debated rationally.
This thread is entertaining, but there are much better sites to visit for constructive debate on these issues.
"Robust debate"
You wont find any of that in this 'cauldron of conservatism'.
Anyone who has a view that differs from the hardline right-wingers is simply shot down in flames, not debated rationally.
This thread is entertaining, but there are much better sites to visit for constructive debate on these issues.
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Hard line right wing is hardly the case, more like centre right. The problem is the creeping socialism which infects the west has dragged public perception too far to the left.
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It's difficult to have debate with anybody who believes they can argue credibly for this illigitimate Labor Government who have achieved nothing, wasted much, and driven people to despair with idiotic agendas which are thinly veiled raving ratbag left green/ red ideals. Something embraced in a desperate attempt to grab and hold on to, power.
In aviation matters, for instance, I believe both Minister and Shadow Minister for Transport are as bad as each other with one subtle difference.
The megalomaniac Labor Minister is currently in power.
In aviation matters, for instance, I believe both Minister and Shadow Minister for Transport are as bad as each other with one subtle difference.
The megalomaniac Labor Minister is currently in power.