Is Australia its own Worst Enemy?
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FFS;
Who have this lot signed us up for? Since when did the UN become the World Government? Since when did Howard mandate a redistribution of the wealth? When did Howard do a 4000/800 swap in illegal immigrants? Who floated the Australian Dollar? Why do we have Dyslexics on Invalid Pensions? Who stopped the live cattle trade? Who wants to shut down all the coal mines? Who did a deal to govern illigitimately with a mob off red ragging commo's? Who agrees we need a licence to have a bet on the Melbourne Cup? Who..................
Oh! bugga, it's you isn't it?
Please come to our next Murray Darling water plan discussion. I'm sure you'll get your minute of fame.
signing us up to a Free Trade Agreement with the US.
Oh! bugga, it's you isn't it?
Please come to our next Murray Darling water plan discussion. I'm sure you'll get your minute of fame.
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One reason we have no manufacturing industry is our interest rates that are kept deliberately high to make the Aussie dollar valuable enough to the world for us to be able to afford our fancy BMWs, Audis and iPhones.
In any manufacturing industry that counts, you will invest several million dollars of capital per employee, so while you're competing with China, US, Japan, Europe in this sector, where their capital cost savings dwarf any wage cost differential, you have no chance in Australia.
Of course, wage costs and carbon taxes are also a negative factor, but are individually not the most significant factors.
In any manufacturing industry that counts, you will invest several million dollars of capital per employee, so while you're competing with China, US, Japan, Europe in this sector, where their capital cost savings dwarf any wage cost differential, you have no chance in Australia.
Of course, wage costs and carbon taxes are also a negative factor, but are individually not the most significant factors.
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A bit of Baaaaaaaaaad luck you didn't think of it first.
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Why can't I buy anything, like gum boots on Ebay in NZ dollars. Everything is in $AUS.
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Why can't I buy anything, like gum boots on Ebay in NZ dollars. Everything is in $AUS.
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TO J MEN come home if youv e got 250 hrs one of the majors might have an FO slot for you. On the other hand stay put in ME on mega bucks and good luck to you !.Harly D could .nt agree more Since flying gave me up I been eking out a living on the land and the only decent machine Ive got on the place is a Chamberlain tractor built in Welshpool WA in about 1965 .still runs 2ltr of oil in 12 hs running and 9 ltrs of fuel an hour .Taken over by JD years ago.And now in Australia we dont even make tyres to fit a bloody wheel barrow.God only knows that if the Chinks get the ****s with us is where the hell are we going to get socks and jocks for the troops not to mention other hardware that we made here 50 years ago Im sure someone will have a smart answer. for the old trogdilite dinosouar but dont rely on help from anyone but our own good .Aussie selves...As I mentioned somewhere earlier that there aint no good samaratans in Asia.
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Harley D..... Love your posts, always well thought out....
The murdoch press...hmm We buy the Herald Sun here, and I am no longer permitted to read it over dinner anymore, Unless I only read 50/50....something to do with anger levels.
I ain't left nor right, I swing my vote accordingly, much to the horror of my grandmother.
I love this country, but I often feel like packing up and shipping out. Our inane ability to denigrate anything Australian makes me very
angry!
Look at the lambasting Christine Nixon is copping (....I can't stand her!!!) She did some great things in Vic-Pol, and some not so great ones, but at least she had the ballz to challenge the status -quo criminality that existed in the force. And for that she is copping it over the fires for doing her job the best possible way she could have......by making sure everyone was doing their jobs, had everything they needed (well where does one conjur up another 1000 firebombing a/c) and got the hell out of their way. No way in hell she could have stayed in the emergency centre and micro managed the affair, as it seems the murdoch press thinks she should have.
To the airvan/nomad doggers........... can you do better? go for it!. One guy picked on it for the trims coming off in the hot sun....hmm Someone please name me a type that did not have a quirk that wasn't discovered/rectified until many were in service, and some of those 'quirks' are dam dangerous (read..i am thinking crashna seat rails)
Dunno, but i always see great aussie stuff, pissed on by fellow australians until the point comes no-one wants to buy it and the company gives up or goes offshore.
Successive Australian Governments have supported the Australian Aircraft Manufacturing industry right up until the Nomad project went ballz up. Its a roll call of successful aircraft, if not designed here, at least purchased and manufactured here under licence, dating at least back to the Wirraway (i can already hear the screams that it was a diff a/c from the Texan/Harvard...but its design was such that licence fee's were still paid), P-51, Vampire, Sabre, Macchi, Mirage, Hornet....just to name a few. We all know the problems with the Nomad were not insurmounable......otherwise why would anyone wish to return it to production, but the media cry over its faults led to the projects downfall, and may yet again. We CAN do it in this country, but we as a whole won't let ourselves be successful....
rant on pause....
Jas
The murdoch press...hmm We buy the Herald Sun here, and I am no longer permitted to read it over dinner anymore, Unless I only read 50/50....something to do with anger levels.
I ain't left nor right, I swing my vote accordingly, much to the horror of my grandmother.
I love this country, but I often feel like packing up and shipping out. Our inane ability to denigrate anything Australian makes me very
angry!Look at the lambasting Christine Nixon is copping (....I can't stand her!!!) She did some great things in Vic-Pol, and some not so great ones, but at least she had the ballz to challenge the status -quo criminality that existed in the force. And for that she is copping it over the fires for doing her job the best possible way she could have......by making sure everyone was doing their jobs, had everything they needed (well where does one conjur up another 1000 firebombing a/c) and got the hell out of their way. No way in hell she could have stayed in the emergency centre and micro managed the affair, as it seems the murdoch press thinks she should have.
To the airvan/nomad doggers........... can you do better? go for it!. One guy picked on it for the trims coming off in the hot sun....hmm Someone please name me a type that did not have a quirk that wasn't discovered/rectified until many were in service, and some of those 'quirks' are dam dangerous (read..i am thinking crashna seat rails)
Dunno, but i always see great aussie stuff, pissed on by fellow australians until the point comes no-one wants to buy it and the company gives up or goes offshore.
Successive Australian Governments have supported the Australian Aircraft Manufacturing industry right up until the Nomad project went ballz up. Its a roll call of successful aircraft, if not designed here, at least purchased and manufactured here under licence, dating at least back to the Wirraway (i can already hear the screams that it was a diff a/c from the Texan/Harvard...but its design was such that licence fee's were still paid), P-51, Vampire, Sabre, Macchi, Mirage, Hornet....just to name a few. We all know the problems with the Nomad were not insurmounable......otherwise why would anyone wish to return it to production, but the media cry over its faults led to the projects downfall, and may yet again. We CAN do it in this country, but we as a whole won't let ourselves be successful....
rant on pause....
Jas
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Hey, some of you guys just do not get it.
My politics is really of little concern, and i am absolutely not a card carrying member of ANY political party or organization. if anything i may be a centrist, but that is not of relevance here. In these fora it seems anyone that is not a hard over conservative must be a relative leftie and tarred as a commo. that is certainly not me. I said what i said to attempt a slight amount of balance due to the overwhelming preponderance of irrelevant political commentary that was hi jacking the thread. My background is in aviation and manufacturing, not placard waving and sound bite chanting. I have visited aviation and aviation related manufacturing facilities in several continents, and have some idea of the real issues.
When I say Government, I mean the Government, NOT the ALP. many governments of various ilks have come and gone, where is Australian manufacturing, struggling without a doubt, but with a few notable exceptions. They in general do not depend on the public purse to support them, they do it on their own.
None of the parties are snow white or have all the answers to the original question.... not labour .... not the Libs....not the nats....or (perhaps especially) the greens.. They are ALL self interested and despite the public mouthings, will follow their own agenda. If you think Super Tony will save the manufacturing world from the Evil Julia, you will be disappointed, or deluded,. as far as manufacturing goes they are interchangeable.
Julia is just a bus driver at the wheel of a bus full of noisy children, soon the bus will be driven by another driver with a different bunch of shouting, scuffling snotty faced children form another school, different color uniforms, but still just a bunch of self interested, self centered kids fighting over play lunch and their turn on the monkey bars. They are not interested in where the bus comes from or who built the bus. that would only happen when they have to walk to school, then they do a lot of complaining, until they get on the new bus.....then its back to what they know best.
The industry is the industry, stop blaming 'the government' for not saving an industry that can only survive on its merits..There will always be developing economies eager to exploit the low priced labor to which they have access, and to where our large corporations will ship out our manufacturing heritage to make their 'bottom line' look better for a few years. this trades on the established brand's reputation for a while, but ultimately the brand will fail as quality declines, though the retail price remains the same. others will just prefer to import cheap goods without an expectation of quality, and retail them cheaply, provided the consumer is happy with the perceived value for money.
If you want a strong and prosperous manufacturing industry here in Aus, buy Australian products, use Australian products, promote Australian products and encourage your sphere of influence to support our local products (and produce). don't say one thing and do the opposite.
If you want to discuss Australian products and manufacturing, do it, but to leap to the facile and simplistic conclusion, that this is all down to a particular political party gives them credibility for a level of control or influence that is way beyond the reality.
HD
My politics is really of little concern, and i am absolutely not a card carrying member of ANY political party or organization. if anything i may be a centrist, but that is not of relevance here. In these fora it seems anyone that is not a hard over conservative must be a relative leftie and tarred as a commo. that is certainly not me. I said what i said to attempt a slight amount of balance due to the overwhelming preponderance of irrelevant political commentary that was hi jacking the thread. My background is in aviation and manufacturing, not placard waving and sound bite chanting. I have visited aviation and aviation related manufacturing facilities in several continents, and have some idea of the real issues.
When I say Government, I mean the Government, NOT the ALP. many governments of various ilks have come and gone, where is Australian manufacturing, struggling without a doubt, but with a few notable exceptions. They in general do not depend on the public purse to support them, they do it on their own.
None of the parties are snow white or have all the answers to the original question.... not labour .... not the Libs....not the nats....or (perhaps especially) the greens.. They are ALL self interested and despite the public mouthings, will follow their own agenda. If you think Super Tony will save the manufacturing world from the Evil Julia, you will be disappointed, or deluded,. as far as manufacturing goes they are interchangeable.
Julia is just a bus driver at the wheel of a bus full of noisy children, soon the bus will be driven by another driver with a different bunch of shouting, scuffling snotty faced children form another school, different color uniforms, but still just a bunch of self interested, self centered kids fighting over play lunch and their turn on the monkey bars. They are not interested in where the bus comes from or who built the bus. that would only happen when they have to walk to school, then they do a lot of complaining, until they get on the new bus.....then its back to what they know best.
The industry is the industry, stop blaming 'the government' for not saving an industry that can only survive on its merits..There will always be developing economies eager to exploit the low priced labor to which they have access, and to where our large corporations will ship out our manufacturing heritage to make their 'bottom line' look better for a few years. this trades on the established brand's reputation for a while, but ultimately the brand will fail as quality declines, though the retail price remains the same. others will just prefer to import cheap goods without an expectation of quality, and retail them cheaply, provided the consumer is happy with the perceived value for money.
If you want a strong and prosperous manufacturing industry here in Aus, buy Australian products, use Australian products, promote Australian products and encourage your sphere of influence to support our local products (and produce). don't say one thing and do the opposite.
If you want to discuss Australian products and manufacturing, do it, but to leap to the facile and simplistic conclusion, that this is all down to a particular political party gives them credibility for a level of control or influence that is way beyond the reality.
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Anyone who is interested in how the UK aircraft manufacturing industry went from hero to zero in less than 20 years may enjoy this:
I just read it on the way back from business in the UK and Europe.
HD
I just read it on the way back from business in the UK and Europe.
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Julia is just a bus driver at the wheel of a bus full of noisy children
The industry is the industry, stop blaming 'the government'
No, you can't blame industry or Abbott for this mess. This happened because there is about 49% of the voting population appear to be ignorant to history associated with The Labor Party, their lies and monentary mismanagement.
The "buck stops" with this current government.
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The State and local governments aren't helping either. Anyone else here who is involved with a small business (whether in manufacturing or otherwise) will know that the state charges have skyrocketed over the past few years, to the extent that a lot of businesses are becoming unviable.
The number of idiotic licenses you have to apply and pay for (paperwork and ready cash) to simply operate is staggering. None of them make anything safer, greener or more efficient, they're just money spinners for the States to cover their beureaucratic blow-outs.
There was something in the local paper this weekend about how less than fifty cents of every dollar allocated to Queensland health spending makes it out of George Street. Half the health money is funding flunkies, paperwork and beaureaucratic crap. No wonder there are no beds available and people spend hours parked in an ambulance before they can get into casualty.
The number of idiotic licenses you have to apply and pay for (paperwork and ready cash) to simply operate is staggering. None of them make anything safer, greener or more efficient, they're just money spinners for the States to cover their beureaucratic blow-outs.
There was something in the local paper this weekend about how less than fifty cents of every dollar allocated to Queensland health spending makes it out of George Street. Half the health money is funding flunkies, paperwork and beaureaucratic crap. No wonder there are no beds available and people spend hours parked in an ambulance before they can get into casualty.
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Frank:
do nothing but moan whinge and cling to right wing dogma...
...boring
Blah Blah Blah ...dooom, gloom. blah blah...bad julia, nasty julia Blah blah, blah blah global warming swindle...blah blah...stop the boats..blah ... Big New tax...blah blah.. musn't have super tax for huge profits on mining companies, that would not be fair on the multi billionaires blah blah... wheels falling off..no brakes we'll all be killed...blah blah I'm right - commo lefty Harley wrong, bad Harley, nasty Harley, should not disagree with Frankie..Blah Blah....frankie know everything..franki right - Harley wrong.... blah blah.. My preciousssss ....Tony oh my tony save us all from the reds.... and the yellows....and the ..blah blah blah
record stuck mate, talk about the manufacturing industry for a change
HD
do nothing but moan whinge and cling to right wing dogma...
...boringBlah Blah Blah ...dooom, gloom. blah blah...bad julia, nasty julia Blah blah, blah blah global warming swindle...blah blah...stop the boats..blah ... Big New tax...blah blah.. musn't have super tax for huge profits on mining companies, that would not be fair on the multi billionaires blah blah... wheels falling off..no brakes we'll all be killed...blah blah I'm right - commo lefty Harley wrong, bad Harley, nasty Harley, should not disagree with Frankie..Blah Blah....frankie know everything..franki right - Harley wrong.... blah blah.. My preciousssss ....Tony oh my tony save us all from the reds.... and the yellows....and the ..blah blah blah
record stuck mate, talk about the manufacturing industry for a change
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I think you can pretty well measure the ability of an industry to survive by the amount of regulation, pettifogging rules, inspectors, and paperwork. We are rapidly becoming the biggest nanny state in the world.
From Internet censorship (thanks for imposing your domineering christian principles on us, Senator Conroy - and I use the small "c" on purpose), to restrictions, and vast amounts of paperwork on every single thing a person tries to do, when carrying out a business activity.
Inspectors get right up my nose. Every business has to put up with their share of Nazi-style inspectors who have exceeded their job abilities. From truck drivers who have to keep logbooks detailing every single thing they have done, every 15 mins of the day, to "chain of responsibility" laws that means that even checking a wheelnut involves more than one person and 15 mins of form-filling-in.
A bloke I know repairs boats. He runs a business with just him and his missus. He has an old Clark forklift that he uses to drag the boats around his level forecourt with, so he can work on them in the open when required. A Worksafe goon spotted his forklift and descended on him. No flashing lights, no machinery logbook, a handbrake that didn't meet efficiency standards. The bloke told him where to go in no uncertain terms, he's running a small business with no employees, and poses no risk to anyone but himself. The goon went ballistic and threatened to have him jailed over "major safety breaches". The bloke won the argument, and the goon got in his car and took off, aiming for some other operation, where he could find a major regulation transgression, where he could make a killing.
Another mate has a tyre shop. A goon arrived and wanted to inspect his air compressor, and started berating him over no logbook for the aircompressor, no regular inspection periods, and no current inspection certification for the pressure vessel.
The tyre bloke got stuck into him, and said - "If you want uncertified pressure vessels, come with me! - I have hundreds out the back!" He led him to the tyre yard, where substantial numbers of inflated truck wheels and tyres were. Yep, every inflated tyre on a wheel is an uncertified, unplated pressure vessel!
The stupidity of the pettifogging regulations and massive amounts of paperwork in businesses, is out of proportion to what is needed. While businesses are loaded down with this BS, consumers can do what they like. A home owner can build his own home-made dangerous compressor, with no regulation.
The average Joe can jump in his car and drive 3500kms in a weekend (yes, a mate with a car-hire business had this happen!), whilst a truck driver can only drive so many hours in a day, and so many hours without a break - and it all has to be recorded in infinite detail. Yet car drivers cause more accidents than truck drivers.
The over-regulation of businesses, industry and innovation is what will kill our Western societies. I read an item about ship scrapping in the last few days. The U.S. has a large number of ships that are in dire need of scrapping. The cost to scrap them in the U.S. (meeting all the myriads of safety & EPA regulations) is US$1.8 BILLION! Yet, they can send them to India, China or Korea, to be scrapped, and the cost will only be US$170 million!
This is where the carbon tax is wrong. It's just another impost on us, with dubious benefits, based on dubious science, touted by unelected powerbrokers (Garnaut is but one of many of these - and has anyone seen Garnauts record on pollution activity as a previous company director?)... and benefitting no-one, expect those in the financial cirlces who are rubbing their hands at the "profitable opportunities presented" by shonky carbon trading!!
Add in another looming massive bureaucracy to "oversee" the carbon tax scheme, and it's little wonder that industry in Australia is struggling, and that manufacturers find it easier to source products from countries that are not burdened by over-regulation, paperwork, and taxes.
From Internet censorship (thanks for imposing your domineering christian principles on us, Senator Conroy - and I use the small "c" on purpose), to restrictions, and vast amounts of paperwork on every single thing a person tries to do, when carrying out a business activity.
Inspectors get right up my nose. Every business has to put up with their share of Nazi-style inspectors who have exceeded their job abilities. From truck drivers who have to keep logbooks detailing every single thing they have done, every 15 mins of the day, to "chain of responsibility" laws that means that even checking a wheelnut involves more than one person and 15 mins of form-filling-in.
A bloke I know repairs boats. He runs a business with just him and his missus. He has an old Clark forklift that he uses to drag the boats around his level forecourt with, so he can work on them in the open when required. A Worksafe goon spotted his forklift and descended on him. No flashing lights, no machinery logbook, a handbrake that didn't meet efficiency standards. The bloke told him where to go in no uncertain terms, he's running a small business with no employees, and poses no risk to anyone but himself. The goon went ballistic and threatened to have him jailed over "major safety breaches". The bloke won the argument, and the goon got in his car and took off, aiming for some other operation, where he could find a major regulation transgression, where he could make a killing.
Another mate has a tyre shop. A goon arrived and wanted to inspect his air compressor, and started berating him over no logbook for the aircompressor, no regular inspection periods, and no current inspection certification for the pressure vessel.
The tyre bloke got stuck into him, and said - "If you want uncertified pressure vessels, come with me! - I have hundreds out the back!" He led him to the tyre yard, where substantial numbers of inflated truck wheels and tyres were. Yep, every inflated tyre on a wheel is an uncertified, unplated pressure vessel!
The stupidity of the pettifogging regulations and massive amounts of paperwork in businesses, is out of proportion to what is needed. While businesses are loaded down with this BS, consumers can do what they like. A home owner can build his own home-made dangerous compressor, with no regulation.
The average Joe can jump in his car and drive 3500kms in a weekend (yes, a mate with a car-hire business had this happen!), whilst a truck driver can only drive so many hours in a day, and so many hours without a break - and it all has to be recorded in infinite detail. Yet car drivers cause more accidents than truck drivers.
The over-regulation of businesses, industry and innovation is what will kill our Western societies. I read an item about ship scrapping in the last few days. The U.S. has a large number of ships that are in dire need of scrapping. The cost to scrap them in the U.S. (meeting all the myriads of safety & EPA regulations) is US$1.8 BILLION! Yet, they can send them to India, China or Korea, to be scrapped, and the cost will only be US$170 million!
This is where the carbon tax is wrong. It's just another impost on us, with dubious benefits, based on dubious science, touted by unelected powerbrokers (Garnaut is but one of many of these - and has anyone seen Garnauts record on pollution activity as a previous company director?)... and benefitting no-one, expect those in the financial cirlces who are rubbing their hands at the "profitable opportunities presented" by shonky carbon trading!!
Add in another looming massive bureaucracy to "oversee" the carbon tax scheme, and it's little wonder that industry in Australia is struggling, and that manufacturers find it easier to source products from countries that are not burdened by over-regulation, paperwork, and taxes.
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franki right - Harley wrong
And don't accuse me of doing nothing, whinging and moaning mate. I was manufacturing pressure vessels, employing over 40 people and trying to compete with overseas cheap imports in the late 70's. I've spent a good deal of my time antagonising CASA because it's a just occupation and have a letter from The Director of Aviation Safety apologising after a Commonwealth Ombudsman's report damned him and his fkuced out principality and now with the blood and bruises to give me the RIGHT to have a moan about a fkuced out political party I do so.
Oh, and I gave nearly 15 years of my life defending this country in The Australian Army so I have served under good and bad governments, (to whom the military pledge their support), and I can tell when I'm being shafted.
What a waste of time trying to reason with people who are so blind.
You're just one of the 49% I guess.
If you want to see how blind, just challenge them on the validity of their democratic right to vote, a right that they have no choice whether to exercise or not...
20-odd million uncritical thinkers in this brown land.
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Good points...
Lots of good points.
Its a funny world, in Western Culture we find that "we" do not want to do the dirty jobs so employ foreigners, then we get all nasty when there are too many foreigners in our backyard. Simple answer screw the dole get of ya arse and get a job digging trenches or driving cabs, good enough for an immigrant good enough for you.
You know its not only a problem in the Western World, same same happens everywhere, cheaper labour floods across borders. Now you would have thought that the labour market could not get cheaper than a Thai labourer in Thailand, wrong, the Burmese flood across the border to undercut the market!
Middle East, don't even start without the plane loads of Indian and Pakistani workers it would all still be a sand dune.
Look at the Philippines, domestic helpers (maids) who live away from their family, working in Hong Kong, Singapore, etc are considered national heros' sending home upwards of $300 a month (their entire wage). You know what they are lucky to get a day off a month, again their work is considered too menial for a local.
Singapore fits more into the Western Country scenario, locals will not do the jobs considered **** and in come the Indians, Pakistanis, Chinese and a plethora of nations.
Maybe just maybe its time the national nation gets off its arse and does all the menial jobs to. At least in Aus there are jobs, there is a reason there are so many immigrants, there home land is well not as fortunate, there are simply no jobs.
Now I know this is not directed at aviation, but the thread is Australia its' own worst enemy
yep!
And before ya have a go, I worked my arse off to get where I am from diggen ditches, to fillen shelves and every form of menial work in between. As posted before I choose to live and work outside of Australia, yes I love to visit Australia for a holiday or an overnight but where I live I consider paradise. In fact this is semi retirement.
Each to their own!
Its a funny world, in Western Culture we find that "we" do not want to do the dirty jobs so employ foreigners, then we get all nasty when there are too many foreigners in our backyard. Simple answer screw the dole get of ya arse and get a job digging trenches or driving cabs, good enough for an immigrant good enough for you.
You know its not only a problem in the Western World, same same happens everywhere, cheaper labour floods across borders. Now you would have thought that the labour market could not get cheaper than a Thai labourer in Thailand, wrong, the Burmese flood across the border to undercut the market!
Middle East, don't even start without the plane loads of Indian and Pakistani workers it would all still be a sand dune.
Look at the Philippines, domestic helpers (maids) who live away from their family, working in Hong Kong, Singapore, etc are considered national heros' sending home upwards of $300 a month (their entire wage). You know what they are lucky to get a day off a month, again their work is considered too menial for a local.
Singapore fits more into the Western Country scenario, locals will not do the jobs considered **** and in come the Indians, Pakistanis, Chinese and a plethora of nations.
Maybe just maybe its time the national nation gets off its arse and does all the menial jobs to. At least in Aus there are jobs, there is a reason there are so many immigrants, there home land is well not as fortunate, there are simply no jobs.
Now I know this is not directed at aviation, but the thread is Australia its' own worst enemy
yep!And before ya have a go, I worked my arse off to get where I am from diggen ditches, to fillen shelves and every form of menial work in between. As posted before I choose to live and work outside of Australia, yes I love to visit Australia for a holiday or an overnight but where I live I consider paradise. In fact this is semi retirement.
Each to their own!
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If you want a strong and prosperous manufacturing industry here in Aus, buy Australian products, use Australian products, promote Australian products and encourage your sphere of influence to support our local products (and produce)...
Empty-headed rhetoric. That worn out cliche doesn't work for
example with Australian based airlines, does it. Proof is in the
White Rat presently in the process of destroying itself (under
the efforts of a foreigner I might add) - one can fly QF every
bloody day for years, but its still going to turn to sh!t whether
the "buy Australian" idealogists like it or not.
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In these fora it seems anyone that is not a hard over conservative must be a relative leftie and tarred as a commo.
You're just one of the 49% I guess.
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Frank, Slasher Andy RR et al:
You clearly all have a significantly better insight into innovative Australian design and or ability, or inability, to turn this into successful, locally manufactured products.
Frank, I would be honestly interested to hear you say something relevant to the experience that you had in the innovation, design and development, as well as the local manufacturing issues. seriously. I am so not interested in an ideological diatribe about Labour rooning the country.
I work in a successful manufacturing company that exports tens of millions of dollars of locally designed and manufactured stuff to all corners of the world. even with the little aussie battler at 1.10 USD we are making inroads into the north American market. I just left a meeting regarding FY11/12 business strategy and NOT ONE SINGLE REFERENCE to politics, either way, no new world order, or UN world domination conspiracy theories, no teaparty myopia, not even any vitriol about the beaurocracy that regulates the industry in which we live. just good sound business planning, responsible, prudent and diligent management technicues, vision and contingency planning, exchange rate outlooks, outsousorcing of processes and upgrading of plant belonging to us and our suppliers in order to meet budgetary and production targets.
The Witch or the Mad Monk will make NO DIFFERENCE, in fact the company that i am employed by, and many others, would prefer a greater level of stability and cooperation in government, and a lot less of the loose cannon talk down and the politics or wailing opposition that the so-called coalition is bombarding us with. if the shoe was on the other foot, things would still be exactly the same. you are kidding yourself if you think differently frank, but to hear anything you must remove the digits from your ear-holes and stop shouting that "the sky is falling", lest you start looking like Chicken Little, but with two right wings.
Slasher: I buy Australian when given the choice and product brand confidence. I rarely regret such purchases, especially compared with issues i have had with el cheapo imported crap, I buy Australian oranges (my family grew them for years.) and any other Aussie produce I can in preference to imported stuff. works for me and my family
HD
You clearly all have a significantly better insight into innovative Australian design and or ability, or inability, to turn this into successful, locally manufactured products.
Frank, I would be honestly interested to hear you say something relevant to the experience that you had in the innovation, design and development, as well as the local manufacturing issues. seriously. I am so not interested in an ideological diatribe about Labour rooning the country.
I work in a successful manufacturing company that exports tens of millions of dollars of locally designed and manufactured stuff to all corners of the world. even with the little aussie battler at 1.10 USD we are making inroads into the north American market. I just left a meeting regarding FY11/12 business strategy and NOT ONE SINGLE REFERENCE to politics, either way, no new world order, or UN world domination conspiracy theories, no teaparty myopia, not even any vitriol about the beaurocracy that regulates the industry in which we live. just good sound business planning, responsible, prudent and diligent management technicues, vision and contingency planning, exchange rate outlooks, outsousorcing of processes and upgrading of plant belonging to us and our suppliers in order to meet budgetary and production targets.
The Witch or the Mad Monk will make NO DIFFERENCE, in fact the company that i am employed by, and many others, would prefer a greater level of stability and cooperation in government, and a lot less of the loose cannon talk down and the politics or wailing opposition that the so-called coalition is bombarding us with. if the shoe was on the other foot, things would still be exactly the same. you are kidding yourself if you think differently frank, but to hear anything you must remove the digits from your ear-holes and stop shouting that "the sky is falling", lest you start looking like Chicken Little, but with two right wings.
Slasher: I buy Australian when given the choice and product brand confidence. I rarely regret such purchases, especially compared with issues i have had with el cheapo imported crap, I buy Australian oranges (my family grew them for years.) and any other Aussie produce I can in preference to imported stuff. works for me and my family
HD
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I am so not interested in an ideological diatribe about Labour rooning the country.
Gough Whitlam/Jim Cairns
Silver Bodgie
The Bogan/Lee Rhiannon/Bob Brown/Christine Milne/etc etc
Do you think I'd be still overseas and continuing to strongly
encourage talented mates (of various skills, not just pilotage)
to leave if these latest pack of dipsh!ts weren't running loose
ruining the country?
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I hesitate to mention the word "protectionism" but why does the rest of the world have tariffs to keep their industries and farms and even airlines viable?
Can I also ask why we are linked to a OPEC price for oil when we are capable of producing all our needs without importing? Why do we sell our oil and buy back petroleum at Singapore spot price? Why don't we have more oil refinery's? Why don't we value add to our coal and iron ore and make steel here?
Joh Petersen and Lang Hancock saw a vision of a railway across the continent to take coal from Qld to the ore in WA and vice versa with manufacturing on bothe coasts. Instead we sell both raw items to China and import the finished product.
These questions are apolotical, but it's the current mob that not only ignore, but add to the woes by proposing a tax on CO2.
But I suppose Willy Winki, Oakshott, and Windsor have our interests at heart. God bless them.
Can I also ask why we are linked to a OPEC price for oil when we are capable of producing all our needs without importing? Why do we sell our oil and buy back petroleum at Singapore spot price? Why don't we have more oil refinery's? Why don't we value add to our coal and iron ore and make steel here?
Joh Petersen and Lang Hancock saw a vision of a railway across the continent to take coal from Qld to the ore in WA and vice versa with manufacturing on bothe coasts. Instead we sell both raw items to China and import the finished product.
These questions are apolotical, but it's the current mob that not only ignore, but add to the woes by proposing a tax on CO2.
But I suppose Willy Winki, Oakshott, and Windsor have our interests at heart. God bless them.