Std Phraseology in NZ
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Std Phraseology in NZ
I've had a look but can't find what I'm after. At this stage I only have online access, which is doing my head in. It used to be the IFG and Planning Manual but clearly things have moved on. Looking for the pages in NZ AIP that outline standard phraseology in NZ.
Calling for clearance, taxi etc.
ENR 1.1 doesn't cover it all. Where's the rest? Will be back there soon and trying to make the effort before I get there.
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Calling for clearance, taxi etc.
ENR 1.1 doesn't cover it all. Where's the rest? Will be back there soon and trying to make the effort before I get there.
Many thanks
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It also seems the saying 'with you' and 'ready in turn' are becoming prolific.
eg ABC tower, XYZ with you ready in turn holding point alpha
or
Control XYZ with you passing 3000ft
Its obvious you are 'with' a particular controller when you are talking to them, and they know you will go when its your turn, and not try to jump the queue.
All the mindless drivel on the radio drives me nuts!
eg ABC tower, XYZ with you ready in turn holding point alpha
or
Control XYZ with you passing 3000ft
Its obvious you are 'with' a particular controller when you are talking to them, and they know you will go when its your turn, and not try to jump the queue.
All the mindless drivel on the radio drives me nuts!
But where the hell did this "ABC, fully ready" come from... I don't give a rats if you're only "partially ready"!!!
All the mindless drivel on the radio drives me nuts!
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Not to mention the mindless ATC drivel, like using three radio transmissions when one would suffice, or saying "behind the aircraft on final line up behind".. I heard you the first f**king time you said the word 'behind' and I'm not likely to line up in front of the aircraft on final am I?
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The number of professional pilots going into procedural airspace blerting straight into what they have to say without first establishing comms with the tower. Best thing the twr could do is ignore them until they get it right.
Then the ones that say XYZ airborne Rotorua throught 3000 climbing 4000 Totra 3 departure, well strike me, never knew that the Totra departure is in NZRO. And dont get me started on the ALTITUDE nonsense that gets thown all around the airwaves around NZHN. When in Rome boys... ur not in the UK now.
The FRTO rating appears to be found in the bottom of a weetbix box now days, most I am sure have never even read AC172-1 Then we have the parrotts that have to read everything back verbatim when a WILCO will surfice.
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Then the ones that say XYZ airborne Rotorua throught 3000 climbing 4000 Totra 3 departure, well strike me, never knew that the Totra departure is in NZRO. And dont get me started on the ALTITUDE nonsense that gets thown all around the airwaves around NZHN. When in Rome boys... ur not in the UK now. The FRTO rating appears to be found in the bottom of a weetbix box now days, most I am sure have never even read AC172-1 Then we have the parrotts that have to read everything back verbatim when a WILCO will surfice.Happy Flightings
Not to mention the mindless ATC drivel, like using three radio transmissions when one would suffice, or saying "behind the aircraft on final line up behind".. I heard you the first f**king time you said the word 'behind' and I'm not likely to line up in front of the aircraft on final am I?
The adoption of the ICAO standard came about not too long after that.
3 radio tx when one would suffice? Guilty as charged, sometimes. Depends on the workload I think the pilot may be experiencing. It is recommended that a maximum of 3 important items be contained in a radio transmission. 3 simple items is fine. Real complex instructions/information? Slow and thorough. Saves many repeats.
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The one I hate is "XXX enters, backtracks and lines up". No... you are "entering, backtracking and lining up"...
The there is the odd habit of saying "XXX rolling on the YYYYYZZ departure".
And as for reporting POB to towers... what an utter waste of time. Only in NZ...
BTW the "behind the aircraft on final line up behind" phraseology came into common use in Europe after an accident between a Streamline Shorts 330 and an Air Liberte MD-83 at Paris Charles De Gaulle in May 2000. A report can be downloaded - www.bea.aero/docspa/2000/g-wn000525a/pdf/g-wn000525a.pdf
The there is the odd habit of saying "XXX rolling on the YYYYYZZ departure".
And as for reporting POB to towers... what an utter waste of time. Only in NZ...
BTW the "behind the aircraft on final line up behind" phraseology came into common use in Europe after an accident between a Streamline Shorts 330 and an Air Liberte MD-83 at Paris Charles De Gaulle in May 2000. A report can be downloaded - www.bea.aero/docspa/2000/g-wn000525a/pdf/g-wn000525a.pdf
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And as for reporting POB to towers... what an utter waste of time. Only in NZ...
Those of us who fly regularly from such aerodrome just get into a habit - which may seem odd when you are elsewhere.
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Dont forget the dumbass POB readback when you ask fur cleerunce..
And as for reporting POB to towers... what an utter waste of time. Only in NZ...
So when you prang on take-off, the tower has your POB on hand to give to the RFF so as they immediately know how many to look for, instead of having to wait until someone gets on the phone to the company & tries to ascertain just how many people were on board.
I would have thought that was a good thing.
It also means the the RFF personnel are not risking their lives unnecessarily by going back into burning wreckage looking for people when everyone is already out.
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What is the big deal guys?
So when you prang on take-off, the tower has your POB on hand to give to the RFF so as they immediately know how many to look for, instead of having to wait until someone gets on the phone to the company & tries to ascertain just how many people were on board.
I would have thought that was a good thing.
It also means the the RFF personnel are not risking their lives unnecessarily by going back into burning wreckage looking for people when everyone is already out.
So when you prang on take-off, the tower has your POB on hand to give to the RFF so as they immediately know how many to look for, instead of having to wait until someone gets on the phone to the company & tries to ascertain just how many people were on board.
I would have thought that was a good thing.
It also means the the RFF personnel are not risking their lives unnecessarily by going back into burning wreckage looking for people when everyone is already out.
Just seems like an archaic rule that no one has had the common sense to change.
The only other place I have struck this is in deeeepest darkest Africa, SIN and the former soviet bloc countries.
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Correct... the information is readily available without wasting air time. If it's an aircraft of any size, the information won't be required immediately in any case... plus the cabin crew will take the manifest with them when they leave.
The only time there is any point to this call is when the crew are all dead following the accident, in which case all you are doing is checking for the correct number of bodies anyway. No real urgency there.
The only time there is any point to this call is when the crew are all dead following the accident, in which case all you are doing is checking for the correct number of bodies anyway. No real urgency there.