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Old 16th Jul 2011, 12:11
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Dual GPS

I recently received my Dual Bluetooth GPS. I've been unable to get it to work reliably in the air, and on checking the company website, found that there's a firmware update that should provide better ops above FL320.

"A firmware update which resolves the XGPS150 high altitude issue is available. Please contact customer support at [email protected] or 866-382-5476 for the update and installation instructions."
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Old 16th Jul 2011, 21:51
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Does the car cigarette lighter charger rated 10-18v DC work OK in an aircraft? Does it have the potential to do damage to the Ipad?
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Old 16th Jul 2011, 22:35
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The iPad charges at 2.1amp/10w which is higher than an iPhone. Jaycar have a small cig plug for about $12 with iPhone and iPad charging USB ports.

3.1A Dual USB Car Adaptor - Jaycar Electronics
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Old 17th Jul 2011, 00:02
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There are stacks of chargers for the iPad and iPhone on dealextreme.com No freight charges by the way, wysiwyg. I use them sometimes, never an issue.
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Old 17th Jul 2011, 11:05
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Well after 48 hours of Tach time around Australia, the iPad was Awesome and the OzRunways was unbeatable.

I did use the Jepp app during a couple of RNAV's and one was knee deep in IMC and I can testify its better than the paper chart by a long way. (and yes I had them too )

I do want to know though where all the airport data has come from. Can somebody tell me where YHHN is? Allegedly Hahndorf, and a might fine part of the world it is but even the resident guru "Mr Debonair" has no idea and it did not seem to be his home strip....nor has he registered it with anyone.

I am convinced this is the best thing for single pilot cockpit resources in a long time.
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Old 17th Jul 2011, 11:43
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Wow hey, who would have thought, an AUSTRALIAN company making a world class product. Good work guys
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Old 17th Jul 2011, 12:04
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Sad thing is, Quite a few companies come up with world class products, only we encourage them all off overseas...
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Old 17th Jul 2011, 12:13
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Jabba I was wondering that myself, coming back from a week in WA last week I noticed a few strips that popped up on the iPad that upon closer inspection weren't there....

All in all an amazing product, it is my hope that CASA pull their finger out and give us the ability to use this as another awareness aid in the cockpit
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Old 17th Jul 2011, 12:54
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its Jaba...........not Jabba....

But all that aside, I have to agree Nick, you have to be sure.....mind you some might have been farm strips at some time in the past but have over grown.

In the event of an emergency chances are the strip is still there, and better than an uncertain surface.

Anyone know about the YHHN?
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Old 17th Jul 2011, 13:31
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it is my hope that CASA pull their finger out and give us the ability to use this as another awareness aid in the cockpit
I think you were using it as an awareness aid on your WA trip last week

I used mine in flight yesterday for the first time. Simply awesome. The maps are now confined to the flight bag in the back and a huge pile of paper has disappeared from my cockpit. I think I will always carry paper maps but my bet is they will remain folded, stowed and in new condition.
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I wonder why Apple choose to deactive GPS when flight mode is selected on the iphone? There is no legal requirement to do so. Even in the USA it is an airline requiement not one of the FAA. GPS except perhaps in some parts of Europe is not prohibited for use in an aircraft as it is not a transmitter. To use this program on an iPhone and use the GPS, flight mode cannot be selected.
Nokia on the other hand do not bar GPS when flight mode is selected, so why apple??? Nobody in Apple Australia seems to understands this?? It would be intersting to know who advises Apple on such matters???? Selecting Australia as a region for example should change the time and date formats used in Australia and change "airplane" (ug!) to "flight" mode.........amoungst other things... why cant we set these things up as we prefer????????????????

As for OzRunways... great stuff!
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Old 17th Jul 2011, 20:48
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Spirax, I think the GPS deactivation is a predictable response to American security paranoia. An American passenger will go ape**** when his GPS tells him his flight is diverted and that will be the end of that.
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Old 17th Jul 2011, 21:35
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WHY do you need CASA approval to use iPad as aid to Navigation?
Where in the regs does it say your current version of documents must be hard copy?
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Sunfish... yes I agree, however in the US it is the airlines that make that ban, not the regs. How come a Nokia phone does not lock out GPS in flight mode, but Apple does?? It is a world wide phone and the software should account for that. Besides a stand alone GPS will work, so why not the one the iPhone??
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Spirax, in the twisted paranoid mind of American security consultants, the fact that a passenger might know exactly where the aircraft is, via GPS, is only a very short step from the passenger seizing control of the aircraft and directing it, via his little GPS, somewhere harmful.

To put it another way: "Ignorance is strength!" What possible legal reason would a passenger have for knowing where he is? Trying to acquire such information is therefore obviously suspect.

Regarding CASA, there is a requirement in VFR for the pilot to fix their position every Thirty minutes. I prove I do this by marking my paper chart accordingly. I believe that some, but perhaps not all, CASA staff will also accept a stored iPhone or iPad forecast acquired via NAIPS as evidence of complying with the weather forecast requirement.

However, if your battery runs out and you ain't got pencil and paper chart, you are most probably stuffed, unless you have the time and capability to build a gridded sheet and start plotting lats and longs from ERSA, marking in Navaids, etc.

Clarification from CASA would be nice to have.

And a P.S. If I was flying outside my own patch, I would want a manual backup or Two apart from the iPad anyway. I can testify from my marine experience that when your GPS/Plotter/Compass/Autopilot system goes tits up in the middle of the night or bad weather it is extremely disconcerting until you drag out your paper chart and start plotting.
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Old 18th Jul 2011, 00:09
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Aussie Bob: Indeed I was using it last week, Along with the aircrafts GPS and the WAC chart beside me
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I do want to know though where all the airport data has come from. Can somebody tell me where YHHN is? Allegedly Hahndorf, and a might fine part of the world it is but even the resident guru "Mr Debonair" has no idea and it did not seem to be his home strip....nor has he registered it with anyone.
That data is from AsA. You know the encode/decode-only ALAs in ERSA? We get coordinates for them too.

But you are right, there's some rather questionable ones in there! I reckon there must have been something there are at some time and registered with (probably) the CAA, keeping in mind that some time was likely before GPS, with a rough measurement on a WAC as source and while it seems to be someone's backyard now, could have been an actual strip miles away many moons ago.

I reckon it will have to be a community effort to clean this up. Although no start has been made on it yet, we do envisage functionality in OzRunways where you can comment on any airfield and see other user's comments. This could be anything from: "phone local pilot John for strip info" and "avgas bowser broken 15/7/2011" to reporting the airfield is not really an airfield. (for those familiar with the area.)

By making entering that data only available inside the app and to paid-up users only; the risk of it being vandalised/abused becomes extremely low. We're pilots, we look out for each other, right?
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Old 18th Jul 2011, 08:12
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I'm waiting for the feature that shows me live on the screen where Jaba is in his Retard Vehicle.

I've been sitting beside Jaba when we were head-on with a Bell 412 Rescue Chopper and a closing speed of over 300 knots, so when I'm NOT flying with him, I need all the help I can get to see him coming!
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Old 18th Jul 2011, 08:12
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Spirax, in the twisted paranoid mind of American security consultants, the fact that a passenger might know exactly where the aircraft is, via GPS, is only a very short step from the passenger seizing control of the aircraft and directing it, via his little GPS, somewhere harmful.
Except that I'm not too sure that someone who is seizing control of an aircraft will worry tooooo much about obeying the request to turn all electronic equipment to flight mode

Besides when they take control they can always just use the one in the cockpit
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