iPad Navigation

[itsbrokenagain]

Some info for buyers, you need a 3g ipad to get the builtin GPS. I have both a ipad 1 and 2, and use it in a Learjet 45 at all altitudes up to FL470 behind a heated glass windshield and the gps locks on within a minutes and tracks perfectly, even with it sitting down on my leg . Its also being moved throughout the world and works great no matter if we are in the middle east or up in Japan. I wouldnt do the bluetooth gps, its just too much hassle... unless of course your plane has problems with the ipad getting access to the signals from the gps satellites.

A great mapping APP thats free is PD Maps.

It lets you download the google or many other map source maps before you fly via the wifi or 3g and stores them on the ipad and tracks you position using the stored maps enroute, very cool for pax or yourself .

[FRQ Charlie Bravo]

Morno,

Surely she has a double portfolio as does my Minister for War and Finance, the Right Honourable Mrs Bravo.

FRQ CB

[morno]

Of course FrqCB, I was just listing one of them.

She's also the Minister for Housing Decisions, Minister for Kitchen's, Minister for "Mr Morno's leave passes", . Ohh and just don't let her see this, or she'll also be the Minister for War as well, .

To keep things on topic, maybe I might have to approach her about an iPad....

morno

[bob johns]

MITASOL

I have got to ask ,what ever happened to DR and mk1 .eyeball?

[Jabawocky]

MK I eyeball is farkall good to you when in imc and you might like to know what is around you, even if for comfort value in a turbine twin.

Hey morno, this new gadget is awesome dude

[Polonski]

Works in the middle of nowhere too...

I have and it works great! I'm flying around central WA well away from any phone signal and so far no probs on my iPhone. In fact it's so good that I've just ordered my iPad so I can file away a couple of trees permanently to the flight bag!

[MilFlyer]

Interesting! I've been looking at this myself lately.

I just wonder how you use it in the cockpit. I'm not about to hold it by hand on a Nav. I suppose you could put it on a seat next to you??

I'm just thinking that if I spend $1000 on an iPad and $100 on some nav software for it, I'd like something pretty sturdy to look after it. I saw some kind of leg band with some kind of fixing device / clip, but I'm worried it will get broken. I mean seriously, I don't want some elastic with a clip to hold it. Without mentioning it by name, it looks like an elastic band with some kind of plastic claw thing to hold the iPad.

The other thing is that I already have a kneepad that I use for writing clearances etc. There are a few iPad apps that would allow for quick typing, but I'm not sure tower would appreciate me asking them to say again because I've been typing.

How useful is it really given that I'm worried about 'clipping' my iPad onto my knee (and it getting bumped as I do my thing in flight) and already wear a kneepad for writing? Seems to me that I'll just be looking down the barrel of a broken iPad.

I looked at mounting it, but (correct me if I'm wrong) the regs then class it as an 'electronic flight bag' that requires expensive fitting and certification).

What am I missing here? I love the idea of my iPad on my knee in flight, but what is the go with the cheap 'elastic and a claw' stuff to hold it. Does Apple have something?

[Sunfish]

MilFlyer:

What am I missing here? I love the idea of my iPad on my knee in flight, but what is the go with the cheap 'elastic and a claw' stuff to hold it. Does Apple have something?

No, but Sunfish will produce you one of his custom ones.

We start with virgin Oakley unobtainium resin to make specially profiled clips for the Ipad 2 these are computer finite element designed and produced in the latest high pressure injection molding machines fitted with 60 Rockwell hardness diamond polished dies that are accurate to within Two millionths of a millimeter.

The axles of these clips are hardened and ground Titanium Ti 5Al 2Sn alloy and the resulting clip has been demonstrated to lift the equivalent of a Kenworth truck.

We use a Kevlar - carbon fibre composite webbing originally designed for the space shuttle and containing a small proprietary elastic element that we have patented which is specifically designed to ensure that your leg diastolic blood pressure is reduced by less than 1mmHg by strap tension at 4g.

This can be your for only $4000.00 each.

Translation: Try the clip that Ozrunways is selling for $35, otherwise carry a passenger and give her the iPad to hold.

[morno]

How's the iPad going Jabba?

[splitty]

Way to Go

Yeah Sunfish I love this one ..!! R U a Politician?

[MilFlyer]

All good mate. Found a good kneepad (ipro aviator) that actually encloses the iPad in

(and it doesn't cost $4k either ) Time to convince the wife to let me buy an iPad now

[ForkTailedDrKiller]

I just wonder how you use it in the cockpit. I'm not about to hold it by hand on a Nav.

You a ForkMount Mk 7 (patent pending) for iFad!

But it won't happened unless I go over to the dark side.

Dr

[Polonski]

iPad Kneeboard

I just found this kneeboard available in the states called AvPad. Seems like the type of thing I'd use. But I've just ordered the Belkin Access Folio and I'll attach a strap and stuff for paper myself. I'll post pikkies when I'm done with it!

[baswell]

I saw some kind of leg band with some kind of fixing device / clip, but I'm worried it will get broken. I mean seriously, I don't want some elastic with a clip to hold it. Without mentioning it by name, it looks like an elastic band with some kind of plastic claw thing to hold the iPad.

Assuming you are talking about our Knee Dock here! We're all about openness here, so feel free to mention it! ;-)

The iPad itself actually gives a lot of rigidity to the design of the Knee Dock. The iPad certainly doesn't need pampering; it's an extreme solid device (unlike some plastic competitors) and so long as you don't drop it on concrete, you won't break it. The main thing to watch out for is scratching the
glass, but even that is pretty hard to do; it's hardened.

The strap is not elastic. We specifically chose this instead of the "standard" elastic+velcro because a) velcro sticks onto clothing and seat covers too and b) none of the elastic and velcro ones you can put on with one hand Knee Dock, you can!

I rest the dock on my leg, lift leg, pull strap through, hook the clip and tighten. Undoing it is just as simple.

Additionally, because the dock only touches your leg in two places, air can flow underneath, keeping your leg and the pad cool.

Last time Shagpile and I went upside down (positive G only!) in the RV, it just sat there on my knee, no worries.

I have been using a prototype (and now production model) for month and find it very reliable and comfortable.

Of course it is not for everyone; indeed, some people may want the fold-over clip board for paper, etc. But if you don't need that, I think our design is great: light, cool, reliable, not hugely expensive.

[PLovett]

But it won't happened unless I go over to the dark side.

Forkie...........Forkie, in your profession you have spent so long being up to your armpits at the dark side that it has distorted your view. Just go with the flow and admit that Apple now makes a product that puts Microsoft in the dark ages........it will be so much easier for you then.

Now, on thread, I know the FAA has approved the iPad but has our embattled regulator come to a similar position?

[MilFlyer]

Of course it is not for everyone; indeed, some people may want the fold-over clip board for paper, etc

Yeah the "iPro Aviator" has a fold over clipboard for writing clearances on etc . There is a more expensive version that is made of Aluminium too. Perhaps if I flew more I'd look at that one..

Now, on thread, I know the FAA has approved the iPad but has our embattled regulator come to a similar position?

I don't think it needs regulatory approval if it's strapped to your knee, and turned off during take-off and landing. I'm sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong though

[Shagpile]

Got this from a guy today who emailed CASA. This is CASA's reply:

CASA EFB Response pdf

[Old Akro]

That's a definite maybe if ever I saw one

[AussieNick]

I may be having a dumb moment, but when reading Part 139 I do not see any mention of the relevant charts that must be carried. Eg no mention that you must carry WAC, VTc, ERC, ERSA etc. Do CASA have it written anywhere that states these must be carried?

I Know we have always been told that you must carry paper copies of the relevant navigation material but where is it in black and white?

EDIT:

Found the answer to my own question in AIP Gen 0.1
9. RELEVANT DOCUMENTS AND CHARTS
9.1 To ensure compliance with CAR 233.(1)(h), a pilot in command
must have access during flight to appropriate documents and
charts selected from the following:
a. VFR: ERC, WAC, VNC, VTC and ERSA for the route being
flown.
b. IFR: ERC, IAL charts and ERSA for the route being flown,
and also for the departure, destination and alternate airfields to
be used. In addition, where visual navigation is required, the
pilot in command must have access to appropriate WAC, VNC
or VTC.


But again, as I look at it, Gen 0.1 only stipulates that I have access to thse charts during flight, not weather they are electronic or paper charts. Therefore ther should be no legal reason why OzRunways EFB cannot be used?

This is only my interpretation. Until I hear a definate answer on this i'll still elect to carry paper charts, but it looks like, with how fast this new technology is developing, that CASA are fast falling behind the 8 ball

[baswell]

Nick, that's my idea also. It states elsewhere: "as published by AsA or other authorised provider". Because we just show their content, are our still "published by AsA", or are we now the publisher and not an authorised source?

Huge grey area indeed. Let's hope CASA clears it up soon by adopting the FAA rules, which explicitly state it's OK.