Rude ASIC inspectors
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Rude ASIC inspectors
Today we were working away in the hangar minding our own business when we were paid a visit by 3 plain clothes people inspecting ASIC cards.
I don't mind having my my ASIC checked but what I do mind is their attitudes . They basically burst into our workspace like they where conducting a drug raid .They even asked one guy to finish his phone call.
His explanation of the 'raid' ( for want of a better word ) was that people are failing to display their ASIC above the waist by stowing it in a pocket or under their jacket and that they were in a 'period of education'. Later they would start fining people to the tune of $110 for such an offense.
Now I don't know OH&S safety laws but I think people shouldn't just walk into a operating workshop without seeking permission of the manager . If it was off airport most workshops would display a sign like 'visitors must report to office'.
Obviously we have a duty of care when a person can injure themselves in our workplace .Could you imagine someone walking in on you while your spraying an aircraft ? Or they slipped on some oil or tripped on a power cord ?
I think they need adjust their attitudes , be more courteous and respect others work environment
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I don't mind having my my ASIC checked but what I do mind is their attitudes . They basically burst into our workspace like they where conducting a drug raid .They even asked one guy to finish his phone call.
His explanation of the 'raid' ( for want of a better word ) was that people are failing to display their ASIC above the waist by stowing it in a pocket or under their jacket and that they were in a 'period of education'. Later they would start fining people to the tune of $110 for such an offense.
Now I don't know OH&S safety laws but I think people shouldn't just walk into a operating workshop without seeking permission of the manager . If it was off airport most workshops would display a sign like 'visitors must report to office'.
Obviously we have a duty of care when a person can injure themselves in our workplace .Could you imagine someone walking in on you while your spraying an aircraft ? Or they slipped on some oil or tripped on a power cord ?
I think they need adjust their attitudes , be more courteous and respect others work environment
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Absolutly.
First
Ask to see THEIR asic and credentials before they talk to anyone.
Then
OUT of the hangar until the boss is advised and invites them in. Or if OH&S is an issue, stay the F&$k out!!!!
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First
Ask to see THEIR asic and credentials before they talk to anyone.
Then
OUT of the hangar until the boss is advised and invites them in. Or if OH&S is an issue, stay the F&$k out!!!!
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Depending on the aerodrome inside the hangar may be considered landside rather than airside.
*mumbles about signs having to be displayed on the non-existant wall between the hangar and the apron rather than on the outside of the hangar between the hangar and the carpark*
*mumbles about signs having to be displayed on the non-existant wall between the hangar and the apron rather than on the outside of the hangar between the hangar and the carpark*
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I have had a similar discussion with many engineers. Knowing that they technically should have their asic displayed on their chest visable, but was kindly corrected with the H&S issues of having an item hanging loosely around their neck while working on an engine.
As for access to your property i tend to belieave that you are right, they should not be just walking in. Noone has that right, they have to report to the office and then be granted access into your hangar.
As for access to your property i tend to belieave that you are right, they should not be just walking in. Noone has that right, they have to report to the office and then be granted access into your hangar.
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...but was kindly corrected with the H&S issues of having an item hanging loosely around their neck while working on an engine.
It just illustrates the complete la-la land that said department inhabits...but we all knew that already.
As for walking into hangars, I wouldn't do it in a blue fit, you wouldn't know what's about to go wrong. Don't you have something dangerous that can fall from the roof on cue? Call it an object lesson
. If you can be bothered, write a letter of complaint to the minister and cc your local member. Sometimes it works.
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So who where they, where were they from, and why was there three of them? What airport? Did they identify themselves?
Spent a whole weekend working in and around a hangar at YPMQ a while back, was challenged by nobody.
Spent a whole weekend working in and around a hangar at YPMQ a while back, was challenged by nobody.
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but was kindly corrected with the H&S issues of having an item hanging loosely around their neck while working on an engine.
Many an ASIC has made an unscheduled trip somewhere in the hold of an aircraft because the bloody lanyard broke and its owner didn't notice.
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If you're going to use a lanyard, get one from a drug rep or some other health organisation. They pretty much all have a quick release plastic clip which allows the lanyard to disconnect from your neck if pulled quickly. They are designed so that psychiatrists, psychologists, mental health nurses and other health care workers don't get strangled to death with their lanyard by a psychotic patient (or someone just sick of waiting to be seen in emergency ).
I've had one now in both a health setting (for ID, keycard etc) and as my ASIC lanyard for about seven years and it's never come loose when I didn't want it to, but always come loose when I wanted it to.
). I've had one now in both a health setting (for ID, keycard etc) and as my ASIC lanyard for about seven years and it's never come loose when I didn't want it to, but always come loose when I wanted it to.
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If anyone walks into my workshop uninvited, no matter who they think they are, apart from say the police on a seriously urgent matter where they do have rights, the said offenders would be given an invite to enjoy sex&travel 
. And never be welcomed back.
. And never be welcomed back.
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I hear rumours that at some regional airports the ASIC required area will be reduced to just the immediate terminal area ?
However local government greed in accepting cash for "security" upgrades was conditional upon that local government declaring ALL the airside within the perimeter the security zone.
I have also heard rumours of discontent within a few regional councils who may be shortly out of pocket for thousands to install scanning machines. One in particular is going to downgrade it's status and one supposes it's responsibilities for the "other" 5 KM of 3 strand plain with one barb fence which one can walk straight through.
There is also rumours that if REX delete some of their country services, the same may happen.
Yes folks, a can of yellow paint was all that was needed.
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Aviation Transport Security Act 2004 says the powers ...
On the subject of "rude" ASIC inspectors, usually they will formally identify themselves and explain what they are doing. The fact that they are now showing a bit more presence to enforce ASIC display requirements has come about because GA's attitude is well known thanks largely to these pages. Argue the toss all you like but you will be on a hiding to nowhere.
Actually it is usually a blue line that is used to delineate secure areas under a TSP at an airport so as not to confuse any taxi or parking limit lines.
The introduction of screening for RPT aircraft > 20,000kg was orginally published in the white paper as taking affect from 2014, however Mr exploding underpants was a catalyst for the government to bring that fwd to 01 Jul 2012. Many airports will be out of pocket initially but not unlike the introduction of CBS to the 26 jet RPT serviced regional airports that was announced in early 2007 and implemented by Nov 2008. Airports being serviced only by Rex will escape the screening requirement with the Saab falling below the 20tonne threshold. However where they share an apron within the operational period of a larger screened aircraft, they too will have to be screened.
Binghi, The OTS is looking at a classification scheme for screening and other security requirements. Not sure if the ASIC display will be one of those requirements relaxed or changed although it would make sense.
In essence a yellow line would have been needed to denote the airside security zone, anyone without an ASIC stay out.
The introduction of screening for RPT aircraft > 20,000kg was orginally published in the white paper as taking affect from 2014, however Mr exploding underpants was a catalyst for the government to bring that fwd to 01 Jul 2012. Many airports will be out of pocket initially but not unlike the introduction of CBS to the 26 jet RPT serviced regional airports that was announced in early 2007 and implemented by Nov 2008. Airports being serviced only by Rex will escape the screening requirement with the Saab falling below the 20tonne threshold. However where they share an apron within the operational period of a larger screened aircraft, they too will have to be screened.
Binghi, The OTS is looking at a classification scheme for screening and other security requirements. Not sure if the ASIC display will be one of those requirements relaxed or changed although it would make sense.
Last edited by YPJT; 8th Jun 2011 at 00:21.
Fanning,
I'd say that they had carte blanche do whatever they like, by the reading of the Act.
It certainly appears hat they have almost unlimited powers of entry to any place or aircraft.
185.
I'd say that they had carte blanche do whatever they like, by the reading of the Act.
It certainly appears hat they have almost unlimited powers of entry to any place or aircraft.
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Airport Security... A blossoming industry!
Forget airside and landside. It is the whole airport that incorporates both airside and landside. I could be wrong in my interpretation of this.
Look at the definition for an 'AVIATION INDUSTRY PARTICIPANT' in the transport security act 2004.
Then look at 79 (2) (B) (i)
With Regards to ASIC display:
Reg 3.03 (1)(a)
The transport security regulations say a person on the airside zone (or secure zone) of a security controlled airport must display a valid red ASIC.
Getting back to KALAVO's point, I would goto the Council or corporation that controls the airport and ask to see the plan for airside/landside boundaries. If you hangar is landside inspectors have the right to walk in but you are not required to display an ASIC.
Look at the definition for an 'AVIATION INDUSTRY PARTICIPANT' in the transport security act 2004.
Then look at 79 (2) (B) (i)
With Regards to ASIC display:
Reg 3.03 (1)(a)
The transport security regulations say a person on the airside zone (or secure zone) of a security controlled airport must display a valid red ASIC.
Getting back to KALAVO's point, I would goto the Council or corporation that controls the airport and ask to see the plan for airside/landside boundaries. If you hangar is landside inspectors have the right to walk in but you are not required to display an ASIC.
Last edited by Blueyonda; 8th Jun 2011 at 01:24. Reason: A quick check of the ACT changed my original thoughts.
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Even Police have very limited powers to access your hangar unless invited.
Even Police have very limited powers to access your hangar unless invited.
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Hey Guys
Since were on the topic of ASIC's, I just want to know what it can be used for besides its Aviation uses. Can I use it as a form of identification when I go clubbing or something so they know I'm over 18?
Thanks
Since were on the topic of ASIC's, I just want to know what it can be used for besides its Aviation uses. Can I use it as a form of identification when I go clubbing or something so they know I'm over 18?
Thanks