Masters Program at The University of Newcastle Australia
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Masters Program at The University of Newcastle Australia
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Has anyone done a Masters of Aviation Management or the Grad Cert. of Aviation Management with Newcastle University?
I am interested in this University and have searched the backlogs of Pprune and have found nothing in the last couple of years of any interest.
Yes I am already in the industry and hold an ATPL but would like to further my knowledge.
Much appreciated.
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Has anyone done a Masters of Aviation Management or the Grad Cert. of Aviation Management with Newcastle University?
I am interested in this University and have searched the backlogs of Pprune and have found nothing in the last couple of years of any interest.
Yes I am already in the industry and hold an ATPL but would like to further my knowledge.
Much appreciated.
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Yeah mate, I have applied for it and waiting for the RPL to come back. It seems ok, but I dont have a undergrad degree but according to my mate who lectures at a uni said that it still maybe worth doing because it show you have some academic performance and qualification and most places wont ask for undergrade cert if you have a Masters.
Sure, the people who go to uni for the undergrad stuff always poo poo the RPL and heading for the Masters but I think they are secretly jealous because these same people always state that they a) cant remember 70% of what they learned in the undergrad course; and b) when they get into the real work world they dont know much at all.
So, it seems easy to get RPL for the ATPL Qualification, and maybe for one or two other subjects and therefore leave you with only a handful of subjects to do. (8 subjects in total. 4 are aviation related).
they are approx $1300 - $2000 per subject. Not sure if that includes reading material?
just go to gradschool.com.au and email them. They are helpful. Oh, if you apply through them you dont pay an application fee that you would normally pay through the UAC.
hope that helps
Sure, the people who go to uni for the undergrad stuff always poo poo the RPL and heading for the Masters but I think they are secretly jealous because these same people always state that they a) cant remember 70% of what they learned in the undergrad course; and b) when they get into the real work world they dont know much at all.
So, it seems easy to get RPL for the ATPL Qualification, and maybe for one or two other subjects and therefore leave you with only a handful of subjects to do. (8 subjects in total. 4 are aviation related).
they are approx $1300 - $2000 per subject. Not sure if that includes reading material?
just go to gradschool.com.au and email them. They are helpful. Oh, if you apply through them you dont pay an application fee that you would normally pay through the UAC.
hope that helps
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Forget it. The lecturers are PPLs at best and when I have met them they have tried to explain to me they know my job becuse they have 300 hours in a Jabiru or Gazelle 
Get a real business or management degree - get involved in your current employer's business if you can - your professional aviation experience will effectively add the "Aviation" in front of the "Management degree".
Get a real business or management degree - get involved in your current employer's business if you can - your professional aviation experience will effectively add the "Aviation" in front of the "Management degree".
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Cheers jibba jabba
Have looked online and found out quite a lot. Had a look at a few other Universities in Australia, even applied to one only to be accepted by the Course Tutor and then rejected by the University Admin section because I took too long to apply. I can't understand that when I applied 2 months before hand and they had my application??? (Go figure)
Anyway cheers for the info. Are you doing the Grad. Cert. first? I am like you and didn't finish an undergrad degree - completely different degree so can't swap credits. Only thing going is having the ATPL is gain course entry.
Also I haven't been in the university study mode for a while so this will be interesting.
Keep in touch and let me know how you get on.
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Have looked online and found out quite a lot. Had a look at a few other Universities in Australia, even applied to one only to be accepted by the Course Tutor and then rejected by the University Admin section because I took too long to apply. I can't understand that when I applied 2 months before hand and they had my application??? (Go figure)
Anyway cheers for the info. Are you doing the Grad. Cert. first? I am like you and didn't finish an undergrad degree - completely different degree so can't swap credits. Only thing going is having the ATPL is gain course entry.
Also I haven't been in the university study mode for a while so this will be interesting.
Keep in touch and let me know how you get on.
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Hi Bunny,
Gradschool runs a very good program and are understand that we are all working. Kirstie Carrick and the facilitators used for the course are outstanding. When I was looking at post graduate studies, it was the only University where lecturers would discuss the course, unlike the one offered in Sydney for example.
The facilitators are experienced people from within the industry (eg engineers, pilots) and give timely and helpful feedback. I am not sure what d!psh!t is on about when saying the facilitators only had PPL's?
There are a number of people in Hong Kong doing the course and I am sure that Kirstie may be able to share contacts if you wanted. PM if you like.
Aviation course are about $1400 and business courses about $1800.
Good luck and you should enjoy the course
Gradschool runs a very good program and are understand that we are all working. Kirstie Carrick and the facilitators used for the course are outstanding. When I was looking at post graduate studies, it was the only University where lecturers would discuss the course, unlike the one offered in Sydney for example.
The facilitators are experienced people from within the industry (eg engineers, pilots) and give timely and helpful feedback. I am not sure what d!psh!t is on about when saying the facilitators only had PPL's?
There are a number of people in Hong Kong doing the course and I am sure that Kirstie may be able to share contacts if you wanted. PM if you like.
Aviation course are about $1400 and business courses about $1800.
Good luck and you should enjoy the course
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Enrolled last trimester, but delayed until this trimester due to an unexpected overseas trip. Looking forward to kicking off with the first subject this month.
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I can also confirm that UoN's courses are of very high standard. The tutors/facilitators, as snoop doggy dog said, are working commercial (airline, that I've seen) pilots, engineers etc and so have a strong understanding of commercial realities and how they may affect study regimes (they're certainly not weekend warrior PPLs as someone mentioned earlier!)
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From my experience there, the contents of the courses are relevant to not only the aviation industry but in other areas of daily life too. The facilitators and lecturers have relevant industry experience (military, airlines, engineering etc) and the other students all have extensive experience in their fields (ATC, airlines, engineering etc) that aid your own learning when you share your thoughts via the discussions that form part of your assessments. I am happy to recommend the course and am thoroughly enjoying it. Money well spent as far as I'm concerned.
Good luck with your studies.
Good luck with your studies.
That's for an Masters of Business Administration (MBA) Stikybeke 
No RPL unless you have previous post graduate qualifications that are deemed relevant b_sta, however you can get into the course without tertiary qualification with industry experience, that is ATPL or gingerbeer experience for example. Aviation undergraduate courses offer RPL and you are able to do less subjects on that basis
No RPL unless you have previous post graduate qualifications that are deemed relevant b_sta, however you can get into the course without tertiary qualification with industry experience, that is ATPL or gingerbeer experience for example. Aviation undergraduate courses offer RPL and you are able to do less subjects on that basis
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No RPL. UoN
I got "accepted" into the Masters prog at UoN.
I received no RPL other than my ATPL and Cert IV to get into the course. I found that a little disappointing considering I did 2years comp.sci and they would not give an RPL for a computer course that seems to not be as involved as what I was doing!
So I don't think I will continue with doing it as its alot of money (8 subjects x $ 1600) approx $13k. and that RPL rejection seems a little money hungry to me.
the course does seems rather good, but I would rather do an undergrad course online that will apply to other employ for that money.
I received no RPL other than my ATPL and Cert IV to get into the course. I found that a little disappointing considering I did 2years comp.sci and they would not give an RPL for a computer course that seems to not be as involved as what I was doing!
So I don't think I will continue with doing it as its alot of money (8 subjects x $ 1600) approx $13k. and that RPL rejection seems a little money hungry to me.
the course does seems rather good, but I would rather do an undergrad course online that will apply to other employ for that money.
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No RPL unless you have previous post graduate qualifications that are deemed relevant b_sta
I received no RPL other than my ATPL and Cert IV to get into the course. I found that a little disappointing considering I did 2years comp.sci and they would not give an RPL for a computer course that seems to not be as involved as what I was doing!
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yeah I know b_sta cheers. i know that what I did in com_sci, even though it was under grad, easily matched the course description in the post grad course that I applied for the rpl in. So I thought it was a little bit of poor form.
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Yep, and in that sense I agree - I'd done undergrad business subjects at another university that were a match for the curriculum in a number of UoN's postgrad business subjects, but since they were undergrad, no can do. It's a bit of a shame but them's the rules, and it wouldn't be right for them to pick and choose who they break the rules for I suppose.
The entry level (and so I imagine the subject difficulty) is widely different for different universities for undergrad subjects. It is not too much a stretch to believe that this is also true of postgrad subjects.
So if you look at
http://www.atarcalculator.com.au/cut...utoff-main.pdf
You will see that the ATAR cutoffs for the B Commerce within NSW unis are
UNSW 96, USyd 94.4, UTS 90s, Macquarie 83.6, Newcastle 60.4
It would not be surprising if the undergrad subjects at the urban campuses are of equal degree of difficulty, or even higher than the postgrad courses at Newcastle, and the experience of Jibba-Jibba and b-sta suggests this is true.
Do you take a subject because it is easy to pass, or because you want to learn something?
Do employers care about the knowledge and the qualification, or about the knowledge or about the qualification?
So if you look at
http://www.atarcalculator.com.au/cut...utoff-main.pdf
You will see that the ATAR cutoffs for the B Commerce within NSW unis are
UNSW 96, USyd 94.4, UTS 90s, Macquarie 83.6, Newcastle 60.4
It would not be surprising if the undergrad subjects at the urban campuses are of equal degree of difficulty, or even higher than the postgrad courses at Newcastle, and the experience of Jibba-Jibba and b-sta suggests this is true.
Do you take a subject because it is easy to pass, or because you want to learn something?
Do employers care about the knowledge and the qualification, or about the knowledge or about the qualification?
Remember as well with ATARs/UAIs/ENTERS that it is also based on popularity. USyd is prestigious, located in the biggest city and well known, hence it's degrees will have higher ATARs.
Country unis will generally have much lower ATARs but are not necessarily much easier to pass.
Country unis will generally have much lower ATARs but are not necessarily much easier to pass.