Costing for commercial and instructor rating
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Costing for commercial and instructor rating
Looking for some advice.
Havent flown for about 10 years apart from an hour fun flight late 2010 and that's been it. Have about 200 hours in log book. Before running out of money at the time completed About 70 % of training for commercial license.
Given total lack of recency etc, and based on current training rates ballpark how much $$ wise should i set aside to get current again and complete commercial license. I would like to do instructing part time after completing hence what is the current ballpark cost for instructor rating.
Training would be out of Jandakot or more likely Bunbury.
I have got three training providers in mind and will be sitting down with cfi to get a estimate from them, but I am just looking for feedback from anyone that's gone through it allto gauge what $$$ I should allow.
Thanks for any feedback you may have
Havent flown for about 10 years apart from an hour fun flight late 2010 and that's been it. Have about 200 hours in log book. Before running out of money at the time completed About 70 % of training for commercial license.
Given total lack of recency etc, and based on current training rates ballpark how much $$ wise should i set aside to get current again and complete commercial license. I would like to do instructing part time after completing hence what is the current ballpark cost for instructor rating.
Training would be out of Jandakot or more likely Bunbury.
I have got three training providers in mind and will be sitting down with cfi to get a estimate from them, but I am just looking for feedback from anyone that's gone through it allto gauge what $$$ I should allow.
Thanks for any feedback you may have
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without knowing how much command and IF you have it's hard to say. maybe 25-30 hours for the CPL.
I did the majority of my training (well basically all of it except for 0.8 IF) and walked away from aviation as i knew i wasn't going to get a job at the time. (2003) I went back in 2007 and it took me a good 25 hours (3 months due full time job) to get back to a standard to go and sit my CPL.
Truth is that even the CFI won't know where your at until you blast off for the first time. A bit of advice - even if you have done your CPL subjects previously, buy the study books and go back and refresh yourself. making silly mistakes because of not knowing your theory is going to cost you $$$.
All the best!
I did the majority of my training (well basically all of it except for 0.8 IF) and walked away from aviation as i knew i wasn't going to get a job at the time. (2003) I went back in 2007 and it took me a good 25 hours (3 months due full time job) to get back to a standard to go and sit my CPL.
Truth is that even the CFI won't know where your at until you blast off for the first time. A bit of advice - even if you have done your CPL subjects previously, buy the study books and go back and refresh yourself. making silly mistakes because of not knowing your theory is going to cost you $$$.
All the best!
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You don't mention that you have completed all your exams? that would be my first priority with a bit of flying in between to get up to speed again.
Best to go talk to the CFI's, yes you may save a few dollars at Bunbury without the hour meter ticking over with the wait times at jt sometimes.
Best to go talk to the CFI's, yes you may save a few dollars at Bunbury without the hour meter ticking over with the wait times at jt sometimes.
Why not go and have a 'yarn' with the boys at Murrayfield?
Cheaper than driving down to Bunbury, and a WHOLE lot cheaper than paying Landing charges at JT - plus, and this is a BIG plus, at Murrayfield, as soon as the wheels leave the ground - you ARE IN the Training Area.....and you won't get held up very often due traffic.
e.g. Last Thursday arvo at around 4.30 or so, RWY 12 in use - ONLY the 6 aircraft allowed in the ciruit area.
'We' were told that there's already 2 waiting......
W/V was observed to be actually favouring '24' with the hint of a sea breeze?
Did JT Twr change the active RWY??
NOPE!!
Did we do any circuit training last Thurs arvo??
NOPE!!
Did Airservices earn the $$'s extra from those 3 acft waiting to do circuits??
NOPE!!
Did JAH earn any extra from those 3 acft waiting to do circuits??
NOPE!!
Go to Murrayfield....
Cheers
Cheaper than driving down to Bunbury, and a WHOLE lot cheaper than paying Landing charges at JT - plus, and this is a BIG plus, at Murrayfield, as soon as the wheels leave the ground - you ARE IN the Training Area.....and you won't get held up very often due traffic.
e.g. Last Thursday arvo at around 4.30 or so, RWY 12 in use - ONLY the 6 aircraft allowed in the ciruit area.
'We' were told that there's already 2 waiting......
W/V was observed to be actually favouring '24' with the hint of a sea breeze?
Did JT Twr change the active RWY??
NOPE!!
Did we do any circuit training last Thurs arvo??
NOPE!!
Did Airservices earn the $$'s extra from those 3 acft waiting to do circuits??
NOPE!!
Did JAH earn any extra from those 3 acft waiting to do circuits??
NOPE!!
Go to Murrayfield....
Cheers
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I agree, Murrayfield is a good idea. No transition to training area, however, for Comm training it is more of a trek to CTA than JT, so weigh up the 'VDO time to get there vs savings on JAH charges' etc..
Instructor Rating will run you between $13-16k at Jandakot, not sure about Bunbury though, would be a ballpark figure. Can't really give you a number on cost of Comm training. Not cheap tho..
Good luck with whatever you decide to do
Instructor Rating will run you between $13-16k at Jandakot, not sure about Bunbury though, would be a ballpark figure. Can't really give you a number on cost of Comm training. Not cheap tho..
Good luck with whatever you decide to do
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actually, would it be economically viable to travel to the US to do your CPL, MECIR equiv, then get converted to CASA quals considering the strength o the AU$
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@ultralights your on to something here, I was just looking at some of the prices for a 172 in the states and they range from $100-130 per hour including fuel and instructor
EX FSO ASA doesn't charge for a touch and go, only the fullstop landing. The touch and go fee is purely a JAH thing. Having worked there until recently I can assure you we don't stick to 12 for the fun of it. It's a nightmare as most people are unfamiliar with is and we really need to keep a close eye on everyone.
But your right, YMUL is closer and cheaper unless you have a reason to be in YBUN.
But your right, YMUL is closer and cheaper unless you have a reason to be in YBUN.
Thread drift.....sorry, but have to answer this....
And Murray Field has NONE of this...... Griffo.
TKS Mr Awol,
Yes, I am aware that Asa don't charge for the touch & go, but my point is that there were three acft held up from conducting their commercial operations.
That's
- three aircraft NOT producing hours for their respective organisations,
- three instructors not earning,
- three 'students' not learning,
- and yes, Asa missed out on just three landing fees at the proposed end of the circuits of the three.
All for the 'want' of a rwy change to '24' direction with its potential for its dual runways - commensurate with the observed windsock direction at the time.....
'Comfort Zone' perhaps..??
Enjoy the fishing in Karratha on your days orf....I certainly did.
Cheers
And Murray Field has NONE of this...... Griffo.
TKS Mr Awol,
Yes, I am aware that Asa don't charge for the touch & go, but my point is that there were three acft held up from conducting their commercial operations.
That's
- three aircraft NOT producing hours for their respective organisations,
- three instructors not earning,
- three 'students' not learning,
- and yes, Asa missed out on just three landing fees at the proposed end of the circuits of the three.
All for the 'want' of a rwy change to '24' direction with its potential for its dual runways - commensurate with the observed windsock direction at the time.....
'Comfort Zone' perhaps..??
Enjoy the fishing in Karratha on your days orf....I certainly did.
Cheers
Don't forget to factor in the cost of at least 1 failed marriage and half a house.... 
Costing of getting back into the industry
The requirements for the CPL that you would be eligible for would be the 200 hour CPL. You already stated you have the 200 hours.
The requirement is that at least 100 hours of that be flown as PIC. Simply grab a couple of your local schools rate sheets. Mulitply your shortfall (if any) of the 100 hours PIC to get that figure. Next add on about 30 hours at their dual rate in the CPL trainer (120 knots and a CSU ) which should be more than required to get to CPL standard. Factor in that you will also require 10 hours of IF which you should be able to embed any shortfall into your training at no additional cost.
Add about $1500 for a CPL flight test, and another $15K to $16K for an instructor rating. That will give you a very accurate idea of how much you will spend.
Add $196 for an ASIC card, and a couple of dollars for a medical.
Retrieve all of your old exam results. If they are misplaced get on to CASA early for the exam result reprints. These will be your areas of deficiency and will be questioned during the ground component of the flight test. The references on the KDR (knowledge deficiency report) relate back to the day vfr syllabus from the CASA website and will form the basis of the oral exam of the CPL flight test.
If you have a bit of life experience and are prepared to move you shouldnt have too much difficulty securing instructional work, as long as you appereciate that your first few years income will be in the vicinity of $25K to $35K.
If married to someone with only a reasonable income consideration should be made to updating to a new model with a high capacity to earn. I would however suggest avoiding a potential wife with any sort of a legal background
The requirement is that at least 100 hours of that be flown as PIC. Simply grab a couple of your local schools rate sheets. Mulitply your shortfall (if any) of the 100 hours PIC to get that figure. Next add on about 30 hours at their dual rate in the CPL trainer (120 knots and a CSU ) which should be more than required to get to CPL standard. Factor in that you will also require 10 hours of IF which you should be able to embed any shortfall into your training at no additional cost.
Add about $1500 for a CPL flight test, and another $15K to $16K for an instructor rating. That will give you a very accurate idea of how much you will spend.
Add $196 for an ASIC card, and a couple of dollars for a medical.
Retrieve all of your old exam results. If they are misplaced get on to CASA early for the exam result reprints. These will be your areas of deficiency and will be questioned during the ground component of the flight test. The references on the KDR (knowledge deficiency report) relate back to the day vfr syllabus from the CASA website and will form the basis of the oral exam of the CPL flight test.
If you have a bit of life experience and are prepared to move you shouldnt have too much difficulty securing instructional work, as long as you appereciate that your first few years income will be in the vicinity of $25K to $35K.
If married to someone with only a reasonable income consideration should be made to updating to a new model with a high capacity to earn. I would however suggest avoiding a potential wife with any sort of a legal background
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It's quite simple! 1) choose a flying school . Look at howmuch time they spend talking to you , ac cost, availability etc etc 2) book a flight with a senior instructor. Do a nav involving diversion, lost procedure , nav aid work etc and come back and do some general handling 3)have a long de brief with the instructor and see where you are . Which areas you need to work on. After the flight the instructor should be able to give you a rough estimate on how much it would cost4th complete your cpl 4) study through cpl notes endorsement questionare and go through the day vfr . 5) one goal at a time complete your cpl first then worry about instructor rating.
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My recommendation would be to find a flight school and go for it,
Then
Stipulate grade 1 instructors or at least a minimum of grade 2 for your commercial, flying with grade 3's will be a waste of your time and money at this stage of your flying.
Team up with another instructor candidate for the mutual portion of your instructor rating this will lower the cost.
Have a plan to do your instrument rating, you will need to do it eventually and it's hard (dam near impossible) to save up the coin for that on a pilots wage.
Then
Stipulate grade 1 instructors or at least a minimum of grade 2 for your commercial, flying with grade 3's will be a waste of your time and money at this stage of your flying.
Team up with another instructor candidate for the mutual portion of your instructor rating this will lower the cost.
Have a plan to do your instrument rating, you will need to do it eventually and it's hard (dam near impossible) to save up the coin for that on a pilots wage.
