what to choose, what to choose???
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what to choose, what to choose???
Hi guys.
I know i don't do my nav training till september, but the question of which aircraft to use has been really bugging me. I've got the choice of a 172 or a warrior. Would love to hear the pros and cons of both aircraft.
Thanks,
Daniel
I know i don't do my nav training till september, but the question of which aircraft to use has been really bugging me. I've got the choice of a 172 or a warrior. Would love to hear the pros and cons of both aircraft.
Thanks,
Daniel
Would you learn to drive in a Ford or a Holden?
Both good aircraft, just fly the one you feel most comfortable in!
Both good aircraft, just fly the one you feel most comfortable in!
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Fly a Cessna if you intend to fly a high-wing like a Dash 8. Fly a Warrior if you want to work for Virgin or Jetstar because the low-wing characteristics are just like a jet. You can't get too much practice!
Fly a Cessna if you intend to fly a high-wing like a Dash 8. Fly a Warrior if you want to work for Virgin or Jetstar because the low-wing characteristics are just like a jet. You can't get too much practice!
If not, that is the most stupid thing I have read on here
Fly a Cessna if you intend to fly a high-wing like a Dash 8. Fly a Warrior if you want to work for Virgin or Jetstar because the low-wing characteristics are just like a jet. You can't get too much practice!
ing matter.I would choose the PA28 as it teaches you better fuel management and the need to better manage your energy on approach as you don't have barn door flaps to fix your f
k ups if your are a bit high or fast.
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Fly a Warrior if you want to work for Virgin or Jetstar because the low-wing characteristics are just like a jet.
It's personal preference, I'd go with the PA28.
Are you going through to CPL? If so you should have a go at both.
Lol 
Fly a Warrior if you want to work for Virgin or Jetstar because the low-wing characteristics are just like a jet.
In the '172' at least...you are flying (sometimes) in the shade.....
And the 'glare' off the 'usually' white wing of the PA.28 can cause you to 'close one eye' when heading north with a setting sun....although when learning, you would be far too 'busy' for that....(?)
They are both stable acft for the purposes of the navex - I have instructed in both - I may prefer the PA.28 because of its slightly more 'solid handling nature'....but when it all boils down...like 'CP' said...Holden or Falcon..??
On a hot day in Turb., the '172' may 'float more' up and down....whilst the PA.28 just 'bumps thru' up & down.....
Final analysis...it doesn't really matter...IMHO..!!
Which aircraft do YOU prefer..??
And the 'glare' off the 'usually' white wing of the PA.28 can cause you to 'close one eye' when heading north with a setting sun....although when learning, you would be far too 'busy' for that....(?)
They are both stable acft for the purposes of the navex - I have instructed in both - I may prefer the PA.28 because of its slightly more 'solid handling nature'....but when it all boils down...like 'CP' said...Holden or Falcon..??
On a hot day in Turb., the '172' may 'float more' up and down....whilst the PA.28 just 'bumps thru' up & down.....
Final analysis...it doesn't really matter...IMHO..!!
Which aircraft do YOU prefer..??
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Thanks for the advice.
I'm going all the way for a CPL. My instructor told me today that if I use a warrior it would help me be more familiar with an Archer rather than a 182 for my CPL so i can go in a plane with retractable gear. Another advantage i guess
I'm going all the way for a CPL. My instructor told me today that if I use a warrior it would help me be more familiar with an Archer rather than a 182 for my CPL so i can go in a plane with retractable gear. Another advantage i guess
Hi 'DK',
And the requirements for the CPL are.....??
CSU / Retractable / Speed req..?
Which are U most comfortable in..?????
There's yr answer..!!
And the requirements for the CPL are.....??
CSU / Retractable / Speed req..?
Which are U most comfortable in..?????
There's yr answer..!!
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Ando - Best p!sstake of the year, so far.
I would have suggested young Daniel should choose the aircraft with the engine most likely to sh!t itself, so that he was training towards being an A380 driver.
I would have suggested young Daniel should choose the aircraft with the engine most likely to sh!t itself, so that he was training towards being an A380 driver.
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Trent,
That was an absolute pearler.
Every little anti-Boeing reply I have to that pales in comparison and is therefore not funny.
Ando's pisstake was great too.
DK,
I would say that you should get the best of both worlds.
Who cares about how easy the transition is (maybe an extra 0.2 in the air???)? If you will be doing CPL in a Piper then do PPL in a Cessna or something else. Also ask yourself how many tickets you are going to get (Retrac, tailwheel etc); maybe that will convince you to look further afield to spend the same dough and get more bang! (Wish I'd done PPL in a taildragger but as boutique aircraft they were all too expensive; ie Cap 10, Chippy etc. I think that ACFT do it in a Scout or Decathlon.)
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That was an absolute pearler.
Every little anti-Boeing reply I have to that pales in comparison and is therefore not funny.
Ando's pisstake was great too.
DK,
I would say that you should get the best of both worlds.
Who cares about how easy the transition is (maybe an extra 0.2 in the air???)? If you will be doing CPL in a Piper then do PPL in a Cessna or something else. Also ask yourself how many tickets you are going to get (Retrac, tailwheel etc); maybe that will convince you to look further afield to spend the same dough and get more bang! (Wish I'd done PPL in a taildragger but as boutique aircraft they were all too expensive; ie Cap 10, Chippy etc. I think that ACFT do it in a Scout or Decathlon.)
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I know i don't do my nav training till september,
However, if you have to choose, I would suggest the Cessna, being a high wing aircraft it affords slightly better visibility below the aircraft and make it easier to identify your check points.
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Ok, time for a serious answer from me.
My preference for navigation is the C172. Flying around Queensland the high wing provided more shade, the air vents are better (in your face, not at your feet) and you've got big windows to open when taxiing around. The high wings make it easier to confirm ground features, however low wings are not too bad if you're looking ahead (which you should be doing during a decent nav cycle).
The PA28 does teach you better fuel management. However, it's not rocket science learning to switch tanks.
Performance and endurance are very similar - only around 7 to18 litres difference in usable fuel from memory. The rest comes down to what feels best for you. I liked the position of the throttle and trim when I first started flying Pipers. Initially I preferred a PA28 over a C172N, but the more modern C172 R or S(P) models are more comfortable to fly and I would prefer one of these over a Piper.
One last consideration - which type has more availability once you finish your PPL? No point doing all of your flying in Cessnas if the Piper is the only one available on a weekend when you want to fly it.
My preference for navigation is the C172. Flying around Queensland the high wing provided more shade, the air vents are better (in your face, not at your feet) and you've got big windows to open when taxiing around. The high wings make it easier to confirm ground features, however low wings are not too bad if you're looking ahead (which you should be doing during a decent nav cycle).
The PA28 does teach you better fuel management. However, it's not rocket science learning to switch tanks.
Performance and endurance are very similar - only around 7 to18 litres difference in usable fuel from memory. The rest comes down to what feels best for you. I liked the position of the throttle and trim when I first started flying Pipers. Initially I preferred a PA28 over a C172N, but the more modern C172 R or S(P) models are more comfortable to fly and I would prefer one of these over a Piper.
One last consideration - which type has more availability once you finish your PPL? No point doing all of your flying in Cessnas if the Piper is the only one available on a weekend when you want to fly it.