FAA approves iPad as EFB
CASA's semi official position is to allow whatever the FAA allow in terms of equipment.
Obviously the airline needs to develop its own procedures and trial. There are at least two airlines presently trialling iPads inthe cockpit.
Obviously the airline needs to develop its own procedures and trial. There are at least two airlines presently trialling iPads inthe cockpit.
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iPad 2 looks pretty damn good.
The Apple website even shows an iPad with an approach plate here and below:
What are the requirements for backup? Must have two iPads onboard? Preflight must include checking battery status? Does the iPad have to belong to the company and is it subject to a maintenance regime?
Looking forward to reading the FAA (and subsequently CASA) docs on this.
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The Apple website even shows an iPad with an approach plate here and below:
What are the requirements for backup? Must have two iPads onboard? Preflight must include checking battery status? Does the iPad have to belong to the company and is it subject to a maintenance regime?
Looking forward to reading the FAA (and subsequently CASA) docs on this.
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Hopefully CASA get their act into gear and approve these for Australian operation. I'd expect that as a precaution you'd have to either a) have them connected to a power source (hardwired?) while in use or b) ensure there is a power connector available in the event of the battery running low / dying
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What are the requirements for backup? Must have two iPads onboard? Preflight must include checking battery status? Does the iPad have to belong to the company and is it subject to a maintenance regime?
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Yeah... paper backups would be the obvious first fail-safe but if the whole point is to get away from relying on paper (including manually amending paper versions
) then what backup?
Amendments are the bane of all pilots' existence and even backup paper copies need to be amended. Is this the answer?
Would I send my family on a flight some dark and stormy night knowing that Captain Chuckle's whole flight bag fits into one pocket in his cargo pants? Do I let my family fly with a pilot who wears cargo pants?
Hmm, for those of us still in GA-Land imagine rocking up to a Renewal with a 'seasoned' ATO and shooting an NDB referencing the iPlate (cheesy name that just rolled out of my head as I sit here eating my similarly cheesy yet salty Kraft iSnack 2.0
) with a little moving aeroplane over the outbound and inbound reversal lines. If he chose to 'fail' your iPad it'd be like 'failing' your up-to-date DAPs or Jepps.
I don't even own an iPad but I'm already salivating over getting my hands on the new Reg / Order and playing "What If"... kind of like Dungeons and Dragons for pilots really.
Damn; I still don't know why don't I have any friends? (Other pilots do not count as friends.)
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) then what backup?Amendments are the bane of all pilots' existence and even backup paper copies need to be amended. Is this the answer?
Would I send my family on a flight some dark and stormy night knowing that Captain Chuckle's whole flight bag fits into one pocket in his cargo pants? Do I let my family fly with a pilot who wears cargo pants?
Hmm, for those of us still in GA-Land imagine rocking up to a Renewal with a 'seasoned' ATO and shooting an NDB referencing the iPlate (cheesy name that just rolled out of my head as I sit here eating my similarly cheesy yet salty Kraft iSnack 2.0
) with a little moving aeroplane over the outbound and inbound reversal lines. If he chose to 'fail' your iPad it'd be like 'failing' your up-to-date DAPs or Jepps.I don't even own an iPad but I'm already salivating over getting my hands on the new Reg / Order and playing "What If"... kind of like Dungeons and Dragons for pilots really.
Damn; I still don't know why don't I have any friends? (Other pilots do not count as friends.)
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Backup?
I have had enough laptops and tablets to NOT trust a single EFB to not **** itself at a critical time.
For me the big advantage of EFB's is that when you download the latest update - all your amendments are done. I print out copies of the plates I expect to use on a flight and have them handy in a folder. Then the issue is what if you end up going somewhere unexpected?
Are you prepared to accept the risk that you single EFB won't **** itself? I'm not - so I carry a spare identical tablet!
And cause I like multiple redundancy (apart from the engine!) - I have all the plates on OzRunways on my iPhone. Small - but do-able in an emergency!
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I have had enough laptops and tablets to NOT trust a single EFB to not **** itself at a critical time.
For me the big advantage of EFB's is that when you download the latest update - all your amendments are done. I print out copies of the plates I expect to use on a flight and have them handy in a folder. Then the issue is what if you end up going somewhere unexpected?
Are you prepared to accept the risk that you single EFB won't **** itself? I'm not - so I carry a spare identical tablet!
And cause I like multiple redundancy (apart from the engine!) - I have all the plates on OzRunways on my iPhone. Small - but do-able in an emergency!
Dr
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Well,
Maybe that's it Doc. Carry one EFB (iPod size) and a backup, either a phone sized backup or simply printing the few charts you know you'll need (destination and alternate).
If you're headed into Adelaide for example you can probably trust the EFB far enough to only print out the 23 ILS and 05 VOR. 99% of the time the EFB will get you all the rest of the plates like STARs etc but if you're having a bad day you can always ask to be vectored to the approach and specify that you require one of the two plates you are now limited to.
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Maybe that's it Doc. Carry one EFB (iPod size) and a backup, either a phone sized backup or simply printing the few charts you know you'll need (destination and alternate).
If you're headed into Adelaide for example you can probably trust the EFB far enough to only print out the 23 ILS and 05 VOR. 99% of the time the EFB will get you all the rest of the plates like STARs etc but if you're having a bad day you can always ask to be vectored to the approach and specify that you require one of the two plates you are now limited to.
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EJM in the states did the trial and the FAA were happy. I haven't seen how the trial was conducted but they did do decompression events at high flight levels to see how it would cope. It obviously coped well.
On the Hawker we run Electronic charts on the MFDs. 2 independent file servers with their own batteries. In the event of a double generator failure, the #1 file server can be accessed independently of the main batteries.
We do not carry paper approach charts.
The weight and space saving alone made the exercise worth while.
A couple of our colleagues run the Jeps app on their own iPad. It does a very good job and would be a much cheaper option than whatever stand alone system you can buy now. In a small cockpit, the biggest hassle is where to put the iPad while you use it.
On the Hawker we run Electronic charts on the MFDs. 2 independent file servers with their own batteries. In the event of a double generator failure, the #1 file server can be accessed independently of the main batteries.
We do not carry paper approach charts.
The weight and space saving alone made the exercise worth while.
A couple of our colleagues run the Jeps app on their own iPad. It does a very good job and would be a much cheaper option than whatever stand alone system you can buy now. In a small cockpit, the biggest hassle is where to put the iPad while you use it.
In a small cockpit, the biggest hassle is where to put the iPad while you use it
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Except when the 'Captain has switched on the fasten seatbelt sign in preparation for landing' at which time 'all portable electronic devices must be switched off and stowed'
With apologies to CharlieCharlie78
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With apologies to CharlieCharlie78
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FRQ CB, thread drift, love your note under your name.
Grandpa Aerotart
knowing that Captain Chuckle's whole flight bag fits into one pocket in his cargo pants?
I resemble that remark!
Ozrunways on Ipad and Iphone...job done, for private ops anyway. The trick would be to pull out the Iphone first so said ATO fails THAT and then revert to Ipad
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Saw the iStrap thingy on a US web site this week, and for the screen lock, double press the Home key, this'll bring up a mini-list of icons at the bottom of the screen. Scroll to extreme left, there you'll find the screen lock button. Tap.
CASA is apparently preparing a new part 91 - Flight operations, and on its website it says that there will be "strict control of portable electronic devices".
I think that means that there will be unique Australian requirements regarding how any of this stuff, from a hand held GPS upwards, can be used.
I would be very surprised if these requirements were not highly onerous.
I think that means that there will be unique Australian requirements regarding how any of this stuff, from a hand held GPS upwards, can be used.
I would be very surprised if these requirements were not highly onerous.
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I think I'll just stick to the paper versions. Less things to go wrong!