FAA approves iPad as EFB
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Yes Chimbu,
I was expecting you to post your 4,289th post in reply
Well, no doubt that by time this new Reg comes out it will be titled 2011 by which time the real world will have moved on to 2021 (CASR 1998, if only the trains were as efficient as CASA regulatory reform 
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I hear a funny acronym once for CASA, it was something Against Safety in Aviation. I can't for the life of me remember what it was... Cats, Corndogs, Candycanes, Canapes... nah... can't remember. It'll probably come to me when I least expect it.
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I was expecting you to post your 4,289th post in reply
CASA is apparently preparing a new part 91 - Flight operations, and on its website it says that there will be "strict control of portable electronic devices".
I think that means that there will be unique Australian requirements regarding how any of this stuff, from a hand held GPS upwards, can be used.
I would be very surprised if these requirements were not highly onerous.
I think that means that there will be unique Australian requirements regarding how any of this stuff, from a hand held GPS upwards, can be used.
I would be very surprised if these requirements were not highly onerous.
).I hear a funny acronym once for CASA, it was something Against Safety in Aviation. I can't for the life of me remember what it was... Cats, Corndogs, Candycanes, Canapes... nah... can't remember. It'll probably come to me when I least expect it.
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) experience, that "word" you're looking for generally DOES come along when you ARE least expecting it! Well said... 
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"Canberrans", that was the word. "Canberrans" as in people from Canberra.
Canberrans Against Safety in Aviation
Yep, came to me this morning.
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Alternative to Ipad
Motion Computing CL900 - Rugged Slate Tablet PC - Tablet PC Australia
This looks like it may be a contender as an alternative to the Ipad for aviation use.
Could load Jeppview & Flightdeck plus have Command Flight Planner to compliment.
Not sure of price but looks like it could work well.
This looks like it may be a contender as an alternative to the Ipad for aviation use.
Could load Jeppview & Flightdeck plus have Command Flight Planner to compliment.
Not sure of price but looks like it could work well.
The CL900 is already in use by some pilots on these forums, or an earlier version at least!! Personally i'm very interested in when getting one of these when they come out and was thinking of combining it with Sentient VFR Software which has official ASA charts which are updated every 6months and can be printed out as well as the use of a Moving Map GPS included with Sentient VFR. Looks pretty neat and as it uses a full version of Windows 7 could save me having to buy my next laptop as this could fill the space!
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Swedish regulator has approved the iPad as a Class 2 EFB, apparently one of the cargo operators there is using them on the F50.
Swedish cargo carrier Amapola to use iPad as EFB P3air
Swedish cargo carrier Amapola to use iPad as EFB P3air
Would that not depend on the type of EFB your using Sleeve of Wizard?
Also, can anyone point me to any legislation on what constitutes an EFB? I've so far only found AWB 00-017 which seems to touch on the subject and the meanings of Class 1, 2 and 3 and also the Software Classes A, B and C but nothing too specific and the only material referenced are FAA Regs, I was kind of hoping for a bit more!
Also, can anyone point me to any legislation on what constitutes an EFB? I've so far only found AWB 00-017 which seems to touch on the subject and the meanings of Class 1, 2 and 3 and also the Software Classes A, B and C but nothing too specific and the only material referenced are FAA Regs, I was kind of hoping for a bit more!
An ipad is a million percent better than the hideous OIT display of charts in the A380. Hard to work out who certified that, but it's unreadable, very slow, and ****s itself at the most inconvenient times.
For an example of what it's like to use...take all of your charts, cut them into thirds (because you can't show a complete chart and actually read it), and then take up to 8 seconds to change 'pages'.
For an example of what it's like to use...take all of your charts, cut them into thirds (because you can't show a complete chart and actually read it), and then take up to 8 seconds to change 'pages'.
Motion computing CL900 is not yet launched. It is due in the next 3 months. Motion have announced a price of under USD$900. Its pretty much a replacement for the aging LS800. It has a number of advantages over an ipad. Its printer support is better, being a Windows 7 device it will run Jeppview & Flitedeck as well as other flight planning software such as Command Flight Planner. The Jepp software has moving map support so a proper GPS engine can be used (As opposed to the Apple "assisted GPS"). Given Motion's history with the " view anywhere" screen technology, it may have better daylight visibility than ipad.
In the US ipad approval is currently being given operator by operator. At least one regional airline has approval for ipad use. The back up is the co-pilot's ipad. No paper. See avweb for details.
In the US ipad approval is currently being given operator by operator. At least one regional airline has approval for ipad use. The back up is the co-pilot's ipad. No paper. See avweb for details.
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a proper GPS engine can be used (As opposed to the Apple "assisted GPS")
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In my reading, I understood that Apple have never fully disclosed what "Assisted GPS" is and I thought it primarily used mobile tower triangulation rather than GPS. But I'll stand to be corrected.
However, while Apple do not disclose the GPS engine specs, I'm sure it will be only a 1 Hz engine which I would not regard as adequate and it will suffer satellite reception degradation when its on your knee in the cockpit. I've certainly seen some ipad reviews for aviation charts where the reviewer has had difficulty with the ipad GPS signal (aviation consumer magazine).
Call me old fashioned, but I like a separate 5Hz engine on the glare shield with a good view of the sky. I understand this can be achieved with the ipad by using a bluetooth engine, but until Jeppesen make flitedeck / Jeppview available for the ipad, I have a bias toward a Windows device with a Garmin USB GPS engine as my primary reference. When ipad2 becomes available here, I'll use it as secondary reference to my LS800 (which will be replaced by a CL900 when its released). To keep sleepy CASA happy, there is paper in the back.
In my reading, I understood that Apple have never fully disclosed what "Assisted GPS" is and I thought it primarily used mobile tower triangulation rather than GPS. But I'll stand to be corrected.
However, while Apple do not disclose the GPS engine specs, I'm sure it will be only a 1 Hz engine which I would not regard as adequate and it will suffer satellite reception degradation when its on your knee in the cockpit. I've certainly seen some ipad reviews for aviation charts where the reviewer has had difficulty with the ipad GPS signal (aviation consumer magazine).
Call me old fashioned, but I like a separate 5Hz engine on the glare shield with a good view of the sky. I understand this can be achieved with the ipad by using a bluetooth engine, but until Jeppesen make flitedeck / Jeppview available for the ipad, I have a bias toward a Windows device with a Garmin USB GPS engine as my primary reference. When ipad2 becomes available here, I'll use it as secondary reference to my LS800 (which will be replaced by a CL900 when its released). To keep sleepy CASA happy, there is paper in the back.
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The GPS engine in the iOS products is actually remarkably capable. It is a fully fledged 12 channel GPS and my iPad receives a perfect GPS signal while taxiing on the ground, while mounted next to the steering tiller on the 777. Useless in the flightdeck while in flight though (as are ALL other handheld GPS's I have tried on the flitedeck) due to the electric windshields on the B777, effectively blanking any faint GPS signals attempt at reaching me in my little goldfish bubble. Taking the iPad back into the cabin, holding it anywhere near a passenger window yields a very good reception on both iPad and iPhone. I am picking up the iPad 2 in LA next weekend and look forward to having a play with the added functionality of the built-in gyroscope. The CL900 looks very nice, but I have almost weaned myself off the evil Windows world and cannot see myself go back in the foreseeable future. Don't get me wrong - I can't stand the Apple corporate philosophy and the closed software architecture, but LOVE their products. The user experience on the iOS products is just unparalleled in the Android/Windows Mobile world.
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