Plane missing in north Queensland on way to Horn Island
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It's called "current" mate.
Friends of mine dive and have done so in that part of the world. It was said to be relatively calm up top, yet once in the water, my mate said he was holding on for dear life and his body was perfectly horizontal at only 6' depth.
It's called "current" mate.
Friends of mine dive and have done so in that part of the world. It was said to be relatively calm up top, yet once in the water, my mate said he was holding on for dear life and his body was perfectly horizontal at only 6' depth.
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...unless the currents are particularly strong in that area?
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And your source of info?
WZU found?
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Heard Today that WZU has been found. No further details available.
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Sorry, was misinformed. Got a text from a mate that said he had received that information. Got another text today informing me it was not true.
I am sorry, in the last 2 years, the last 3 Three companies that I flew for all had sat tracking in their machines, these were all GA companies, two piston singles and one twin turbine GA, The operators of WSU (I don't know them) should be ashamed of them selves and I hope the 'ghost" of this wreck stresses them. RIP buddy pilot, we all did it for the hours and peanuts too, I hope lessons learnt and changers are made and Sat Tracking is the norm in 12 months time in ALL oz machines. 
It must be Hell for the family of this young aviator and the operators must be living in regret as well for not setting the equipment up properly as well.
(Note for Trolling Jurnos scumbags, there is no indication of ANY thing against the regs in this case for no Sat tracking, it's not required yet unfortunaly, but many operators do it for efienctcy if nothing else.)
It must be Hell for the family of this young aviator and the operators must be living in regret as well for not setting the equipment up properly as well.
(Note for Trolling Jurnos scumbags, there is no indication of ANY thing against the regs in this case for no Sat tracking, it's not required yet unfortunaly, but many operators do it for efienctcy if nothing else.)
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Sat tracking ? GA what do you expect ? I have seen this gear in action and it's very good, at least they would have had some idea where he crashed even if it was in the sea and the wreckage has drifted to South America.
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the Aircraft was followed on a company computer when disappeared.
Sat tracking is a great device but still does not fix the real problem.
GA is terrible, it is a huge industry, where pilots are used and abused, where we have to fly for crap money, in really old aircrafts, under equipped, in demanding environment as the Australian wet season, rolling a dice everytime, thinking that everything will be fine.
Good on the pilot that was supposed to fly and refused it.
Any pilot should not fly in those conditions, during night hours, with storms scattered all around cape york, without a weather radar, without a decent GPS unit and with a very marginal weather.
I am sorry for Brant, he was a great guy, always smiling and ready for a joke.
Is a good lesson for everyone, never feel to over confident, thinking that we did it already 1000 times.... because the 1001 can be the one that kills you.
If pilots start refusing to fly in those conditions and if ATSB will impose new safety minimum equipment maybe something will change.
Good bye Brant, I am sorry for you and for what happened.
Sat tracking is a great device but still does not fix the real problem.
GA is terrible, it is a huge industry, where pilots are used and abused, where we have to fly for crap money, in really old aircrafts, under equipped, in demanding environment as the Australian wet season, rolling a dice everytime, thinking that everything will be fine.
Good on the pilot that was supposed to fly and refused it.
Any pilot should not fly in those conditions, during night hours, with storms scattered all around cape york, without a weather radar, without a decent GPS unit and with a very marginal weather.
I am sorry for Brant, he was a great guy, always smiling and ready for a joke.
Is a good lesson for everyone, never feel to over confident, thinking that we did it already 1000 times.... because the 1001 can be the one that kills you.
If pilots start refusing to fly in those conditions and if ATSB will impose new safety minimum equipment maybe something will change.
Good bye Brant, I am sorry for you and for what happened.
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Interesting observation.........
Just imagine if there was VHF comms in the area...
Hmmm THERE IS!!!
Just imagine if by some VHF link you could have Lat/Long data etc sent every second to a ground station.........
And what if ground station was linked to Air Services?
What would you call this safety enhancement for SAR purposes, or for any other useful ATC service provided to IFR or even VFR flights outside of radar coverage???
Funny I suggested something along these lines after the Lockhart River prang and Dick Smith too great delight in hammering me.
Anyway....please do not reply, do not start a pprune fight over my posting here.........just contemplate and think about what if this was a SAR that may have had a better outcome with a really accurate place to start looking.
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Just imagine if there was VHF comms in the area...
Hmmm THERE IS!!!Just imagine if by some VHF link you could have Lat/Long data etc sent every second to a ground station.........
And what if ground station was linked to Air Services?
What would you call this safety enhancement for SAR purposes, or for any other useful ATC service provided to IFR or even VFR flights outside of radar coverage???
Funny I suggested something along these lines after the Lockhart River prang and Dick Smith too great delight in hammering me.
Anyway....please do not reply, do not start a pprune fight over my posting here.........just contemplate and think about what if this was a SAR that may have had a better outcome with a really accurate place to start looking.
J
Jaba,
I say - I say - I say there boy...
Wash your mouth...Is U talkin' ADSB..??
Or maybe FS Flight Following with ADSB.......NOW, THAT'S the way to go....!!!
And, oddly enough was a proposal at one time....
Sadly, in this case, the local currents may have 'moved' things considerably....
I say - I say - I say there boy...
Wash your mouth...Is U talkin' ADSB..??
Or maybe FS Flight Following with ADSB.......NOW, THAT'S the way to go....!!!
And, oddly enough was a proposal at one time....
Sadly, in this case, the local currents may have 'moved' things considerably....
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just contemplate and think about what if this was a SAR that may have had a better outcome with a really accurate place to start looking.
Any idea of the specific location?
Unfortunately the ELT, like an ASIC appears to have failed it's purpose, so it gets back to the Human element of having that knowledge, and then we are all happy, that someone is watching all traffic in class G airspace via the wiz bang gadgetry that "enthusiasts" deem necessary in lieu of full reporting.
And Jabba, ADSB would not have prevented Lockhart River.
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And Jabba, ADSB would not have prevented Lockhart River.
But had there been Class E and ADSB it would have been ATC monitored, and apart from a duck and dive approach which may have been too quick to pick, someone may have pulled him up on descending too early. Or even the other software in TAATS that monitors LSALT's etc, however it works. With no coverage there is no chance of either.
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Jaba, what you described back in March sounds very similar to what is being trialled in Tassie right now. IIRC the acronym is WAMLATS or Wide Area Multi-Lateral Signal (or something like that).
It is a series of ground stations that triangulate your transponder code and then paint your position, altitude etc. on something similar to a radar screen. The idea is to use it where a full-blown radar would not be cost-effective. Some of the feed-back I have heard is that it gives a better and more accurate coverage than radar but that was very unofficial.
It is a series of ground stations that triangulate your transponder code and then paint your position, altitude etc. on something similar to a radar screen. The idea is to use it where a full-blown radar would not be cost-effective. Some of the feed-back I have heard is that it gives a better and more accurate coverage than radar but that was very unofficial.
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WAMLAT is pretty good and it is working most of the time down there last I asked. I think they have had some bugs to work through as well.
WAMLAT is I think best suited to remote class D type locations around OZ, NW WA would be a good example. As a SA tool for ATC it would reduce the chatter back and forth on the tower freq by a large margin if nothing else.
Its accuracy is pretty good when I was clocked at at 190 knots on downwind for 14R
.........well lets be 100% honest, I was not actually at the controls at the time, but a bloke we all know who looks at said WAMLAT in the dog house was .
As for the hypothetical further above that is really only going to be viable with ADSB in remote CTAF's. WAMLAT all over Oz would be frightening
Apologies for thread drift here
WAMLAT is I think best suited to remote class D type locations around OZ, NW WA would be a good example. As a SA tool for ATC it would reduce the chatter back and forth on the tower freq by a large margin if nothing else.
Its accuracy is pretty good when I was clocked at at 190 knots on downwind for 14R
.........well lets be 100% honest, I was not actually at the controls at the time, but a bloke we all know who looks at said WAMLAT in the dog house was .As for the hypothetical further above that is really only going to be viable with ADSB in remote CTAF's. WAMLAT all over Oz would be frightening
Apologies for thread drift here