RA-Aus Instructor Rating
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Dr. you are a funny fellow. One could take that the wrong way... Unless that was what you intended :-)
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Well based on your language skills I'm left wondering if you are even qualified to suggest that. I guess after having recently completing your GFPT you already know more than everyone else here then?
Sure, 500+ members that don't get along! You can't count beer drinkers and those that fly once a year as flying members. Come to think of it, Tooradin doesn't even have a club so not much of a comparison there. They are probably better off as there are zero politics that way. I don't have enough fingers to count the number of clubs that have political issues. If it's not avgas theft it's missing beer from the bar, it never ends.
How many RAA aircraft does Tyabb have online? Is it one 1994 Gazelle or a fleet of two?
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Your are a spastic...
Sure, 500+ members that don't get along! You can't count beer drinkers and those that fly once a year as flying members. Come to think of it, Tooradin doesn't even have a club so not much of a comparison there. They are probably better off as there are zero politics that way. I don't have enough fingers to count the number of clubs that have political issues. If it's not avgas theft it's missing beer from the bar, it never ends.
How many RAA aircraft does Tyabb have online? Is it one 1994 Gazelle or a fleet of two?
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Great experience for an RAA instructor - go for it! 
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LoL, never ceases to amaze me, the arrogance of some pilots. Hey guys, I have some news for you all. There are now more RAA schools in australia than GA. Get off the sinking ship lads while you still can.
For what it's worth, I do have over 100 and by the time I've finished the rating, if I choose to do it, I'll have a couple more.
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well actually. The RAA Pilot needs 75 hours command hours. Plus the 30 or 40 to get the licence, which is around 110, then the 20 hours of instructor training. So not vastly different at all. The Instructor rating is the same apart from the 30 hours mutual time. The only thing thats not on the syllabus is BIF.
Don't let the facts get in the way of a good bash hey??
What exactly is a "private RAA".. Im an RAA CFI and am unfamiliar with this term.Please educate me.
Don't let the facts get in the way of a good bash hey??
What exactly is a "private RAA".. Im an RAA CFI and am unfamiliar with this term.Please educate me.
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The word Private was in quotes " " to emphasise the comparison to GA.
eg. Private RAA hours = similar to Private GA / PPL hours and ultimately CPL hours.
Was to highlight the fact that in RAA you have 100 hours "Private flying" ie, command hours flying around in circles (which may include obtaining your cert) versus a CPL which as you know is quite obviously different and is a lot more dual than in RAA and with the IR on top of that.
eg. Private RAA hours = similar to Private GA / PPL hours and ultimately CPL hours.
Was to highlight the fact that in RAA you have 100 hours "Private flying" ie, command hours flying around in circles (which may include obtaining your cert) versus a CPL which as you know is quite obviously different and is a lot more dual than in RAA and with the IR on top of that.
The Instructor rating is the same apart from the 30 hours mutual time.
One significant difference is that the CASA FIR includes spinning but I'm sure that darksarcasm will do that regardless.
GA instructors straight from a CPL get good at it after a few years so I'm sure that the RAA situation is the same.
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DarkSarcasm,
I would say yes, and no: the theory/classroom sections can be done over a period of time, as they require that you learn the theory thoroughly, develop and then deliver the classroom briefings. The practical side should be done in as short a time as possible, you will develop more quickly through intensive flying sequences than if you do one or two flights per weekend.
I would say relatively high: training facilities tend to be busier at weekends, so that's where there's more demand for instructors.
Somewhere around $5-6,000.
I obtained an RAAus instructor rating with relatively low flying experience, and have learnt so much from the experience. There's no substitute for "recency" in aviation, and you'll get the by the bundle! But most importantly, you need to have a great mentor in your CFI, because the rating is only the beginning, there's so much to still learn and you'll need that mentor to help you through.
All the best!
Is the course something you can do 1-2 days per week over a long period or does it need to be done in an intensive block?
What are the prospects are of being employed as an instructor if you can only work 1-1.5 days per week?
How much does it cost to do the course?
How do you assess if you'd be suited to instructing?
- You want to learn more and enjoy sharing your knowledge with others.
- Someone at your flight facility has suggested you might be a good instructor
- You have your license and are left thinking: I like this flying stuff, but I need a reason to get out to the airfield each weekend
- You can converse with people of all ages and backgrounds, especially about aviation
I obtained an RAAus instructor rating with relatively low flying experience, and have learnt so much from the experience. There's no substitute for "recency" in aviation, and you'll get the by the bundle! But most importantly, you need to have a great mentor in your CFI, because the rating is only the beginning, there's so much to still learn and you'll need that mentor to help you through.
All the best!
Oh dear, look what has happened now!
I'm no RAAus basher, as that is where I started, but there is a major difference between the standards of these 2 forms of flying.
For those of you who are under the belief that an RAAus instructor rating is similar in content and training to the GA instructor rating, you are sorely misguided. Yes, I agree under the direction of a good CFI you can be taught to be a decent RAAus instructor, but from my experience in the industry there are some dodgy RAA CFI's out there.
To qualify for the RAAus rating, you merely need a pilot certificate (20hrs), X country endo (not sure what that is now, but it was 5hrs when I was in the game
), a passenger carrying endo (10 hrs command and checked by the CFI), and 75 hrs command (flying circuits and buzzing around the training area).
Then 20 hrs dual for the rating and 30 hrs in the classroom. Hey presto, you are then qualified to teach someone to fly. Now wait for the best part... after 50 hrs of instructional experience, these highly skilled individuals have the power to send someone solo.
This compared to a CPL, who must first of all complete at least the 150hr course. As a minimum you need a night VFR rating (which should be included in the CPL) or an instrument rating. You then do the instructor rating. Its 50 hrs flying. That is 20 hrs dual plus 30 hrs mutual (with another candidate practising). Or it could just be 50 hours dual (which I did because I was the only one on the course). The classroom stuff I think was around 120 hours and included briefing anything from effects of controls through to the finer points of how a constant speed propellor works. Now that's up around the 200+hour mark, and the person has been trained to a commercial standard and examined by a delegate of CASA. That gets you a basic grade 3 instructor rating where you must be supervised for the first 100 hours, and indirectly supervised for the next 150 hrs after which you do a flight test and upgrade to a grade 2 instructor rating. Then you can send your student on their first solo.
Now that aside, like others have said if you have some experience, have a passion for imparting knowledge and receive the right training an RAAus instructor rating is a great way to keep your hand in and have some fun on the weekends
I'm no RAAus basher, as that is where I started, but there is a major difference between the standards of these 2 forms of flying.
For those of you who are under the belief that an RAAus instructor rating is similar in content and training to the GA instructor rating, you are sorely misguided. Yes, I agree under the direction of a good CFI you can be taught to be a decent RAAus instructor, but from my experience in the industry there are some dodgy RAA CFI's out there.
To qualify for the RAAus rating, you merely need a pilot certificate (20hrs), X country endo (not sure what that is now, but it was 5hrs when I was in the game
), a passenger carrying endo (10 hrs command and checked by the CFI), and 75 hrs command (flying circuits and buzzing around the training area).Then 20 hrs dual for the rating and 30 hrs in the classroom. Hey presto, you are then qualified to teach someone to fly. Now wait for the best part... after 50 hrs of instructional experience, these highly skilled individuals have the power to send someone solo.
This compared to a CPL, who must first of all complete at least the 150hr course. As a minimum you need a night VFR rating (which should be included in the CPL) or an instrument rating. You then do the instructor rating. Its 50 hrs flying. That is 20 hrs dual plus 30 hrs mutual (with another candidate practising). Or it could just be 50 hours dual (which I did because I was the only one on the course). The classroom stuff I think was around 120 hours and included briefing anything from effects of controls through to the finer points of how a constant speed propellor works. Now that's up around the 200+hour mark, and the person has been trained to a commercial standard and examined by a delegate of CASA. That gets you a basic grade 3 instructor rating where you must be supervised for the first 100 hours, and indirectly supervised for the next 150 hrs after which you do a flight test and upgrade to a grade 2 instructor rating. Then you can send your student on their first solo.
Now that aside, like others have said if you have some experience, have a passion for imparting knowledge and receive the right training an RAAus instructor rating is a great way to keep your hand in and have some fun on the weekends
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Would the pay grades differ at all? Between GA and RA or depends on school?
Very hard to compare, you might be comparing a GA sausage factory operation with very specific pay grades and a large staff to a small country operation with 2 instructors but with high pay. It all depends.
Either way you can never get paid enough to have your students try and kill you in every lesson
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Darky...don't be put off by the RAA bashers.
Instructing is a great thing to do (for some) provided you have a passion for it. GA (for instance) is riddled with CPL's with IR's ....only trying to build hours and then move on. They really dont care about the student or their progress.
Once you have your rating you will be closely monitored by a CFI to ensure that you are maintaining a good standard and developing your personal instructional skills.
Weekend instructing is fun. It is a break away from the Monday-to-Fridayitis and keeps your flying and people skills well honed. (you may even be able to pay for the fuel you use to drive to the airfield!!)
The majority of RAA students are doing 'it' because they have always wanted to but found GA (costs and regulation) was too hard.
Learning to become an Instructor will teach you a lot about yourself....take the challenge.
Instructing is a great thing to do (for some) provided you have a passion for it. GA (for instance) is riddled with CPL's with IR's ....only trying to build hours and then move on. They really dont care about the student or their progress.
Once you have your rating you will be closely monitored by a CFI to ensure that you are maintaining a good standard and developing your personal instructional skills.
Weekend instructing is fun. It is a break away from the Monday-to-Fridayitis and keeps your flying and people skills well honed. (you may even be able to pay for the fuel you use to drive to the airfield!!)
The majority of RAA students are doing 'it' because they have always wanted to but found GA (costs and regulation) was too hard.
Learning to become an Instructor will teach you a lot about yourself....take the challenge.
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I agree with Cficare in that some instructors are there purely for hours and the students are just numbers with bank cards, i know some like this (why i moved schools). (as have friends)
Know I'm at school and my own instructor will always go the extra yards for me
Know I'm at school and my own instructor will always go the extra yards for me
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Sorry to get u offside Matt1....i've only got 5000hrs GA instructor time...and am totally enjoying the RAA instructing...
Students need to be more positive/pro-active about the instruction/instructors they use.
I had one in my distant past that after one lesson, I told the CFI.."I won't fly eith xxxxx ever again"!!
Students need to be more positive/pro-active about the instruction/instructors they use.
I had one in my distant past that after one lesson, I told the CFI.."I won't fly eith xxxxx ever again"!!
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newby with an opinion
hi guys,
im only new to this site...as of today, but i have read through these posts, and have a bit to say in reply to some of the things ive read in here.
The one that i want to reply to is maverick22....
Mav...how is GA instructing different to RAA instructing (aside from the BIF)??
The same principals are there in regard to how the aircraft is flown, and the same processes is there if the engine fails....we circuit the same, we fly by the attitude of the aircraft....where is it differing????
Yes, you only need 75 hours in command once you have your license, and the pax endo, and the X country endo, followed by the 30 hours PMI, and 20 hours minimum to do the flight training.
But just remember two things....one is that the 20 hours is MINIMUM, meaning that if it takes more for the candidate to get him/her to the standards of an instructor, then they do more. They will be taught to be an instructor. Their job is to teach a student to fly the aeroplane, in the best and safest manor, breeding them as a good pilot.
The second is that the instructor candidate is then tested by a Pilot Examiner. If they arent capable of training someone to be a pilot, then they wont be given the rating. Its quite simple.
Also, as for sending students solo after 50 hours instructing...again, they cant get the senior rating allowing this to happen until they have a MINIMUM of 50 hours, and have RECOMMENDED students to go solo. Meaning that they have to make an assessment of the student, then recommend them to a senior instructor/CFI before they can go solo. Its not until the competency has been reached that they will be given this privilege.
Darksarcasm was asking for some assistance, to gain some knowledge of what is involved...not a bashing between the two sectors of flying. Which by the sounds of it, is mostly what is in the replies.
im only new to this site...as of today, but i have read through these posts, and have a bit to say in reply to some of the things ive read in here.
The one that i want to reply to is maverick22....
Mav...how is GA instructing different to RAA instructing (aside from the BIF)??
The same principals are there in regard to how the aircraft is flown, and the same processes is there if the engine fails....we circuit the same, we fly by the attitude of the aircraft....where is it differing????
Yes, you only need 75 hours in command once you have your license, and the pax endo, and the X country endo, followed by the 30 hours PMI, and 20 hours minimum to do the flight training.
But just remember two things....one is that the 20 hours is MINIMUM, meaning that if it takes more for the candidate to get him/her to the standards of an instructor, then they do more. They will be taught to be an instructor. Their job is to teach a student to fly the aeroplane, in the best and safest manor, breeding them as a good pilot.
The second is that the instructor candidate is then tested by a Pilot Examiner. If they arent capable of training someone to be a pilot, then they wont be given the rating. Its quite simple.
Also, as for sending students solo after 50 hours instructing...again, they cant get the senior rating allowing this to happen until they have a MINIMUM of 50 hours, and have RECOMMENDED students to go solo. Meaning that they have to make an assessment of the student, then recommend them to a senior instructor/CFI before they can go solo. Its not until the competency has been reached that they will be given this privilege.
Darksarcasm was asking for some assistance, to gain some knowledge of what is involved...not a bashing between the two sectors of flying. Which by the sounds of it, is mostly what is in the replies.
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Spot On!
Spot on Daldy!
I've also noticed every thread that mentions the word "RAA" instantly becomes "GA v RAA"
Fact is the we are both here (in Australia and share the same sky) and not going anywhere anytime soon! so best we just get use to it!
As Daldy mentioned the OP has asked for some advice \ opinions and it just got hijacked into a p!ssing match!
I've also noticed every thread that mentions the word "RAA" instantly becomes "GA v RAA"
Fact is the we are both here (in Australia and share the same sky) and not going anywhere anytime soon! so best we just get use to it!
As Daldy mentioned the OP has asked for some advice \ opinions and it just got hijacked into a p!ssing match!