Safety culture in GA.
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[QUOTEIf the CAA are investigating, that will start with an Audit -[/QUOTE]
I once submitted a CAIR report on a flying school which had a serious defect on one of its aircraft and which an LAME had signed off as OK. Within a week I had an indignant call from the CFI who demanded why I had gone to ATSB.
The CAIR system was supposed to be confidential of course. Knowing this I asked the CFI why he thought it was me. He said a mate of his being an airworthiness inspector had told him. The problem being most AW inspectors were LAME's themselves and of course probably remain in contact one way or another with their mates in the industry. This happened in Cairns 20 years ago where a local AW inspector was drinking mates with several operators and gave them a heads up that a visit would take place at a certain time and to get their act in order before he dropped in officially.
I think the latest ATSB reporting system requires ATSB to formally send a de-identified version of the "confidential" report they have received, directly to the operator and ask for his version of the truth. Even Blind Freddy would guess correctly who had originated the complaint and the individual would risk getting the DCM you dobbing bastard
I once submitted a CAIR report on a flying school which had a serious defect on one of its aircraft and which an LAME had signed off as OK. Within a week I had an indignant call from the CFI who demanded why I had gone to ATSB.
The CAIR system was supposed to be confidential of course. Knowing this I asked the CFI why he thought it was me. He said a mate of his being an airworthiness inspector had told him. The problem being most AW inspectors were LAME's themselves and of course probably remain in contact one way or another with their mates in the industry. This happened in Cairns 20 years ago where a local AW inspector was drinking mates with several operators and gave them a heads up that a visit would take place at a certain time and to get their act in order before he dropped in officially.
I think the latest ATSB reporting system requires ATSB to formally send a de-identified version of the "confidential" report they have received, directly to the operator and ask for his version of the truth. Even Blind Freddy would guess correctly who had originated the complaint and the individual would risk getting the DCM you dobbing bastard
An inspector wouldn't have had access to the reporter's identity. Ever thought that your boss was making the same phone call to all of his employees - and you just bottled and gave the game away?
If you're more worried about your job then about the safety breeches, suck it up and stop your whinging. The poster asked if there was a confidential reporting scheme - there is and it's available for just this purpose.
If you're more worried about your job then about the safety breeches, suck it up and stop your whinging. The poster asked if there was a confidential reporting scheme - there is and it's available for just this purpose.
I once (actually, in this case, more than once) squealed on a bloke who was doing all the wrong things as a PPL, and making my life more difficult in doing so.
Yeah, he was sort of my boss too.
Like A37575, an AWI told the PPL (a approved aviation welder) who dobbed.
Yeah, he was sort of my boss too.
Like A37575, an AWI told the PPL (a approved aviation welder) who dobbed.
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Safety culture has to involve everyones best intentions or it's a pointless discussion. Managers cant always fix stupidity!
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Safety culture, what safety culture? Time is money, money is time. That is GA in a nutshell...
For example, I was doing company training including a rating for a pilot...he wasn't particularly good, ended up declining giving him my signature, got an ear full from the boss of the company, I gave my reasons why I didn't think he was ready, he ends up causing tens of thousands of damage, thankfully no one got hurt at any stage, he ended up losing his job some 7-8 months later.
how ironic, the boss wanted him trained asap, to fill the gap (as he had stuffed around and now had no pilots.....), this chap wasn't ready, had a seriously shocking attitude and simply required more training, the boss got someone else to sign him off, all I was trying to do, was prevent a catastrophic accident which we could all see happening.
When he got the boot, it was music to my ears, nothing personal, but knowing that no one else was at risk was such a relief. I was so worried for months... :S
This is GA, sad state of affairs. But not to worry, I reckon it will barely in existance in 15 years.
For example, I was doing company training including a rating for a pilot...he wasn't particularly good, ended up declining giving him my signature, got an ear full from the boss of the company, I gave my reasons why I didn't think he was ready, he ends up causing tens of thousands of damage, thankfully no one got hurt at any stage, he ended up losing his job some 7-8 months later.
how ironic, the boss wanted him trained asap, to fill the gap (as he had stuffed around and now had no pilots.....), this chap wasn't ready, had a seriously shocking attitude and simply required more training, the boss got someone else to sign him off, all I was trying to do, was prevent a catastrophic accident which we could all see happening.
When he got the boot, it was music to my ears, nothing personal, but knowing that no one else was at risk was such a relief. I was so worried for months... :S
This is GA, sad state of affairs. But not to worry, I reckon it will barely in existance in 15 years.
Something I hear sometimes is that they don't want to invest money in training someone only to have that person leave. To which my answer is "would you rather train people properly and have some of them leave, or train none of them and have all of them stay?"
