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Poor old Tasair - poor old Chieftain - poor bloody pilot:
Bryan Green in plane drama Tasmania News - The Mercury - The Voice of Tasmania
Bryan Green in plane drama Tasmania News - The Mercury - The Voice of Tasmania
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The corresponding article on news.com.au (below) tends to suggest pilot error rather than failure, with the pilot apparently 'admitting' to human error as the cause.
Tasmania MP Bryan Green in plane drama | News.com.au
Tasmania MP Bryan Green in plane drama | News.com.au
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maybe another Tas govt loan can be given.... The premier was there on the spot to approve it!
How many landing gear warning horns can you get for 1.8 mil ?
one would assume the landing gear warning systems would be well entrenched into the training and maintenance systems of Tasair...
How many landing gear warning horns can you get for 1.8 mil ?
one would assume the landing gear warning systems would be well entrenched into the training and maintenance systems of Tasair...
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Seems a bit odd that the pilot would admit to the press that he made an error. Possibly opens up a big can of worms...
My thoughts post accident were - 1. ring the Chief Pilot or whoever your safety management system states and let the company handle comments to the media. 2. Ring the union before speaking to anyone, including CASA or the ATSB, for advice.
My thoughts post accident were - 1. ring the Chief Pilot or whoever your safety management system states and let the company handle comments to the media. 2. Ring the union before speaking to anyone, including CASA or the ATSB, for advice.
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the media were at the airport (and on the plane), presumably watching the plane come into land with ... no wheels down?
Bit hard for the average commercial pilot to say "no comment" with half a dozen journalists running up to you as you hop out of the plane asking obvious questions
- SMS media strategy probably works alot better when the punters arent there on the ground with cameras 
Bit hard for the average commercial pilot to say "no comment" with half a dozen journalists running up to you as you hop out of the plane asking obvious questions
- SMS media strategy probably works alot better when the punters arent there on the ground with cameras
Mmm... They always say that there are two types of pilots; those that have had a wheels up and those that are still trying.
However, as anybody who has flown a PA31 knows, the gear warning horn doesn't sound until about 12" MP. The throttle setting for this happens about 90% of the way through the flare ... So ...
Mostly a great aeroplane with at least this as a pretty dumb design error
However, as anybody who has flown a PA31 knows, the gear warning horn doesn't sound until about 12" MP. The throttle setting for this happens about 90% of the way through the flare ... So ...
Mostly a great aeroplane with at least this as a pretty dumb design error
Good on the pilot for admitting his error,at the end of the day what can they do about it,just sack him. He wouldn't be the first that has been sacked from there.
What CASA and the ATSB need to do is look at how the pilots error in judgement come about,to assist the company/industry in preventing accidents like this in the future.
Pritty tough work flying a loaded Chieftain in crappy wx and having to do a circling approach when the wind is blowing 50 knots.
I wish the pilot all the best for the future,he has proven he isn't dishonest.
What CASA and the ATSB need to do is look at how the pilots error in judgement come about,to assist the company/industry in preventing accidents like this in the future.
Pritty tough work flying a loaded Chieftain in crappy wx and having to do a circling approach when the wind is blowing 50 knots.
I wish the pilot all the best for the future,he has proven he isn't dishonest.
There is those that have and those that will. I've come pretty close myself. Similar weather, runway approach, put the wheels up to circle, short final, did the old rich fine grrrr oh ****, better circle and have another look 
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Originally Posted by Bankstown Boy
Mmm... They always say that there are two types of pilots; those that have had a wheels up and those that are still trying...
That perennially bad OWT always gets trotted out at times like these.Here's a hint BTB: If that's your mind-set, then more than likely you'll contribute to the longevity of that particular bit of horse-hockey at some point in the future. Fill ya boots.
I've been at it 30-odd years now, with never a wheels-up. Change your thinking, change your reality.
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Bit hard for the average commercial pilot to say "no comment" with half a dozen journalists running up to you as you hop out of the plane asking obvious questions 
- SMS media strategy probably works alot better when the punters arent there on the ground with cameras
- SMS media strategy probably works alot better when the punters arent there on the ground with cameras
Oh just great, slobber sludge.
You really are a gem! Without knowledge of the poster involved except for the 'probationary' tag you get out the flame thrower and flame away.
I must be nearly ready to be important too, 'cause I've only been at it 27 odd years without a wheels-up-****-up; only 3 more to go and I'll be a legend too!
Get over youself, humor tends to make the world a more bearable place
As to the Goblin - I relate, been there, have that particular t-shirt!
You really are a gem! Without knowledge of the poster involved except for the 'probationary' tag you get out the flame thrower and flame away.
I must be nearly ready to be important too, 'cause I've only been at it 27 odd years without a wheels-up-****-up; only 3 more to go and I'll be a legend too!
Get over youself, humor tends to make the world a more bearable place
As to the Goblin - I relate, been there, have that particular t-shirt!
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I don't get the bit about making the wheels go up again to circle. I must have used too much hair gel in the 80's....
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Yeah me too. I must have 10 hours in them fancy contraptions, and never had a wheels up.
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Was flying from DPO to MEL when we heard the pilot give his "Hazard report" to ML CEN. Felt sorry for him. It was a really ****ty day down here. Crap weather, circling approach, etc. PUF checks have saved me from the same fate in the past. 
Ando, I agree it's easy to comment from here. But this pilot had members of the press and a state MP in with him in the Chieftain that had the wheels-up.
His pax are going to be demanding answers almost immdediately (perhaps even during the evacuation). It takes a lot of training and experience to be able to deflect questions under those circumstances.
My thoughts.
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The pilots on QF32 didn't jump off their A380 and immediately start talking to the press - why should a GA pilot's mindset be any different?
His pax are going to be demanding answers almost immdediately (perhaps even during the evacuation). It takes a lot of training and experience to be able to deflect questions under those circumstances.
My thoughts.
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Spare us the platitudes
"Those that have, and those that will". The perpetual platitude dragged out by some...
What a load of horsefeathers!
How many thousand pilots do we have in Australia? So every single one of us is going to do a wheels-up at some stage of our career?
Spare us, please, from this simplistic analogy!
I hope the bloke involved in this one is okay and can move on.
Humour has nothing to do with it.
Oh, and never answer any questions without having an advocate present.
What a load of horsefeathers!
How many thousand pilots do we have in Australia? So every single one of us is going to do a wheels-up at some stage of our career?
Spare us, please, from this simplistic analogy
!I hope the bloke involved in this one is okay and can move on.
Humour has nothing to do with it.
Oh, and never answer any questions without having an advocate present.
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Now GG please explain, why would you put the gear down and then pull the gear up to do a circling approach?
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Rich,fine,three greens, cowl flaps open. Its worked for years.
But seriously, top marks for owning your mistake.
There is a reason why we say it fellas, because it could happen to you next! It only takes one thing to draw your attention away and if your counter checks fail, here is the result.
How many us have missed the transition checklist due to being dicked around by ATC? How many missed a step, busted an altitude or did something silly while caught up by a threat?
I'm sure the guys who have done wheels up never thought they would do it either. Anyone watch ice pilots?
Oh and never trust the Pilot next to you, cross check it yourself
How many us have missed the transition checklist due to being dicked around by ATC? How many missed a step, busted an altitude or did something silly while caught up by a threat?
I'm sure the guys who have done wheels up never thought they would do it either. Anyone watch ice pilots?
Oh and never trust the Pilot next to you, cross check it yourself