Cadetships/do I really have to go north/am I too old or I have kids etc threads
FTS..
Why are you trying to give pointers to the people that give up or give in?..Its the natural leveller in Aviation that if you aren't driven, willing to miss out on a lot of things that matter to others, and be able to live on a paupers wage for a reasonable period of time you'll throw your hands up, blame everyone else and walk away.
Unless your parents are loaded, or you won Tatts then just to get a CPL is a bloody good effort.
So far in my very limited experience Ive seen people blaming everyone else for their problems , but you only need to spend halfnour chatting to them to see that they are unable to accept that they are the problem.
Its them thats not doing the work.Its them thats not able to do basic research, and its them that will crack it when their not given a job that is far beyond their experience level with a fresh stamped license.
Dont give the quitters any more reasons or ideas on how to continue as it may just prolong their eventual defeat.
Why are you trying to give pointers to the people that give up or give in?..Its the natural leveller in Aviation that if you aren't driven, willing to miss out on a lot of things that matter to others, and be able to live on a paupers wage for a reasonable period of time you'll throw your hands up, blame everyone else and walk away.
Unless your parents are loaded, or you won Tatts then just to get a CPL is a bloody good effort.
So far in my very limited experience Ive seen people blaming everyone else for their problems , but you only need to spend halfnour chatting to them to see that they are unable to accept that they are the problem.
Its them thats not doing the work.Its them thats not able to do basic research, and its them that will crack it when their not given a job that is far beyond their experience level with a fresh stamped license.
Dont give the quitters any more reasons or ideas on how to continue as it may just prolong their eventual defeat.
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Damn. All those years of hard work wasted....
All my money, nearly 20 exams, and the rest of it, then walk away.
Persevere and ye shall prosper..
Don't tell the wife where my Ctrl, Alt, Delete buttons are to reset my brain
All my money, nearly 20 exams, and the rest of it, then walk away.
Persevere and ye shall prosper..
Don't tell the wife where my Ctrl, Alt, Delete buttons are to reset my brain
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Interesting thread...but based on one individuals viewpoint and goal. Aviation isn't just a big shiny jet. Plenty of other options out there I'd hazard the suggestion.
I'd hire a family dude or dudette over a young single tyro any day given the choice...and have. Plenty of my instructor mates (if not all) never left the city, never flew charter, and ended up in airlines....usually over appx 3-5 years as an average.
Big shiny jets may be fun, but at the end of the day it comes back to Ts & Cs... and they aren't looking flash at this moment across the board unless you jag a gig at the Rat, for the time being anyway.
The ones who fell along the wayside figures would be correct however.
Just a viewpoint.
I'd hire a family dude or dudette over a young single tyro any day given the choice...and have. Plenty of my instructor mates (if not all) never left the city, never flew charter, and ended up in airlines....usually over appx 3-5 years as an average.
Big shiny jets may be fun, but at the end of the day it comes back to Ts & Cs... and they aren't looking flash at this moment across the board unless you jag a gig at the Rat, for the time being anyway.
The ones who fell along the wayside figures would be correct however.
Just a viewpoint.
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Generally good post FTS, and in principle I agree with much of what you said in your opener. However, with that in mind, I was a relatively late starter in aviation (age 28 at the time), already married with two kids. As such, I was never going to impose the "up north" rite of passage on my family, and stayed in the big smoke. In spite of all that, I'm still flying jets for the majors. It just took me a bit longer, that's all. And just like you said, there will always be exceptions to the rule.
At the risk of blowing my own trumpet (which is not my intention, as I consider myself a strictly average, garden variety line driver), nevertheless I have never considered failure a genuine option. Sure there were occasions through the years when it wore me down, but I never doubted my own abilities - and always believed I would be up to the task if given the opportunity.
One of the big problems as I see it, is when a person's desire exceeds their ability, or to put it another way: they think that just because they want it, they should get it. Fuelled by hype from their flight training provider, they convince themselves they've got "the right stuff," when they're probably never going to be top notch pilot material. It's like watching some of those people who audition for "Idol" or "The X Factor," who can't sing for nuts, but in their own minds think they're the latest and greatest. When they bomb out at the audition, they lash out at the judges with furious indignation when their "talent" isn't acknowledged, even though their lack of talent is cringeworthy.
Maybe this is a simplistic view, but natural selection and survival of the fittest tends to ensure that those who eventually make it to an airline are there because they should be. And the opposite is also true. Of course, we all know there are exceptions to that rule as well.
At the risk of blowing my own trumpet (which is not my intention, as I consider myself a strictly average, garden variety line driver), nevertheless I have never considered failure a genuine option. Sure there were occasions through the years when it wore me down, but I never doubted my own abilities - and always believed I would be up to the task if given the opportunity.
One of the big problems as I see it, is when a person's desire exceeds their ability, or to put it another way: they think that just because they want it, they should get it. Fuelled by hype from their flight training provider, they convince themselves they've got "the right stuff," when they're probably never going to be top notch pilot material. It's like watching some of those people who audition for "Idol" or "The X Factor," who can't sing for nuts, but in their own minds think they're the latest and greatest. When they bomb out at the audition, they lash out at the judges with furious indignation when their "talent" isn't acknowledged, even though their lack of talent is cringeworthy.
Maybe this is a simplistic view, but natural selection and survival of the fittest tends to ensure that those who eventually make it to an airline are there because they should be. And the opposite is also true. Of course, we all know there are exceptions to that rule as well.
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Bunglerat - what was your career progression path? I am in a similar situation - 30, kids, mortgage, can't really leave the city due to special needs for the kids but I want to break into aviation. At the moment I am taking my time and putting available funds into working on a PPL and eventually a CPL. It is going to take years, I accept that, there is just no other way short of a lotto win.
But, from all the reading on here and the digging around I have done, all the entry level work is up north. There just seems to be that gap between the 200 hours for the CPL, and the 500 or more most jobs seem to ask for, and up north seems to be the only way to plug that. Just curious as to what path you took that got you to the airlines without the northern rite of passage.
But, from all the reading on here and the digging around I have done, all the entry level work is up north. There just seems to be that gap between the 200 hours for the CPL, and the 500 or more most jobs seem to ask for, and up north seems to be the only way to plug that. Just curious as to what path you took that got you to the airlines without the northern rite of passage.
Throwing people out of planes isn't a long-term career and I've never heard of anyone who has gone straight from 182 meat bombing to a Q400. So pack your bags, fill the car up and hit the road NOW! If you don't know when the dry season is up north you better look up Wikipedia before you ask an experienced pilot that question, particularly a chief pilot.
For what it's worth, I never went up north, I had a good job when I got the CPL and I made the transition to flying by doing odd flying jobs (paid) and getting known around my city. I have never flown for a company to which I applied for a job, only companies who asked me to come and work for them.
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