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Cutter glad to hear all is good. Not so keen on giving guys hugs or smacks on the arse as it sounds like you want, but if that's what you need maybe we could put the word out for you?
Did you also mention you're looking for a drug supplier to help you through tough times in your aviation career? Don't do drugs so can't help there.
Classic aviation books help inspire though. Books on or by Richard Bach, Charles Kingsford Smith, Gordon P. Taylor, Saburo Sakai, Sir Francis Chichester, Billy Mitchell, Fred Ladd, Adolf Galland, Robert Munro, Jimmy Doolittle, Adrian Mark, Chuck Yeager, Ernest Gant, P G Taylor, Adolf Galland, and most any books on the poetry of flight always help one feel grateful they too can fly and share in the enjoyment and challenges of the sky.
Did you also mention you're looking for a drug supplier to help you through tough times in your aviation career? Don't do drugs so can't help there.
Classic aviation books help inspire though. Books on or by Richard Bach, Charles Kingsford Smith, Gordon P. Taylor, Saburo Sakai, Sir Francis Chichester, Billy Mitchell, Fred Ladd, Adolf Galland, Robert Munro, Jimmy Doolittle, Adrian Mark, Chuck Yeager, Ernest Gant, P G Taylor, Adolf Galland, and most any books on the poetry of flight always help one feel grateful they too can fly and share in the enjoyment and challenges of the sky.
You forgot the biggest Aussie scoundrel and a book that leaves Gann to shame, Clyde Fenton, the flying doctor......Gant - you lost all credibility there.
Oh and you can tell you're a relatively new Pilot, you can live off love for a couple of years (I still miss it) enjoying what you do. The pay off has to come sooner or later and the chance to be able for afford decent living conditions.
I bet you're one of these clowns that made money prior to a flying career and thought it would be a good 'sea' change. You now fly below market rate for your own love, shafting the guys that do it to create a a good lifestyle with fiscal rewards.
Oh and you can tell you're a relatively new Pilot, you can live off love for a couple of years (I still miss it) enjoying what you do. The pay off has to come sooner or later and the chance to be able for afford decent living conditions.
I bet you're one of these clowns that made money prior to a flying career and thought it would be a good 'sea' change. You now fly below market rate for your own love, shafting the guys that do it to create a a good lifestyle with fiscal rewards.
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Wow aren't some of you a bit touchy about this division between flying = just a job (pilots) and flying = a passion (aviators).
Not once have I said a word about flying for free. However that hasn't stopped a number of you from launching attacks about perceived inequalities in pilot payment that your paranoia claims I support.
You'll remember I told you to grow up and stop whining?
The collective group paranoia of a number of negative people feeds on itself so you all jump on someone suggesting love (of flight) over hate (of salary).
Flyers used to inspire others. Now most of you just seem to feed off each others negativity.
Its just as well we're not in the village square as some of you seem ready to throw rocks at one trying to remind you to love the beauty of flight.
In Post 18
I suggested that to be men you stop complaining and whining about money all the time and talk about flight, flying and flyers and wondered what famous aviators would think of your negative attitudes. (see list of respected aviators in post 18)
In Post 21
I suggested moving away from this obsession people have on PPRuNe to complain about money all the time and, since ecovictim spoke of his acting dreams, suggest that after gaining the support of his family he pursue that path. I also mentioned he should feel lucky he can fly.
In Post 25
I corrected havick regarding his accusatory misunderstanding regarding government assistance my family received when I was a child, congratulated him for receiving 6 figures and suggest he consider sharing his wealth through a charity.
In Post 30
I wished havick enjoy his new sports car/investment property.
In Post 34
I again tried to point out the initial question I proposed in post 18 was what would Smithy (and like aviation heroes) thought of all your negativity. I also suggested that the Super Soldier take a chill pill, which appeared to work as it reduced his next message to just three words. Finally I suggested relaxing and enjoying the beauty of flight.
In Post 35
I thanked the Green Goblin for calling me a MAF pilot and dreamed for an instant a world where flying = helping rather than getting.
For the above I've been accused of
by eocvictim - (posts 20)
cheapening a career choice
telling him he doesn't deserve a brass razoo
been idoitic about peoples lives and careers
being linked to a communist conspiracy
by havick (post 23)
mooching off govt handouts
freely admit pocketing said handouts
by eocvictim (post 27)
my family should be committed for having me
by das Uber Soldat (post 30)
having a disgusting attitude
by The Green Goblin (post 32)
of sounding like a MAF pilot
by j3pipercub (posy 33)
of being a GI-NORMOUS TOOL (complete with complimentary photo)
of having a warped mind
by Cutter796
of giving employers the opportunity to cry poor and offer peasant wages
of wanting to fly aircraft for nothing
by Dragun (post 41)
of having my head in the clouds
by puff (post 43)
of bringing the world of paid flight to different standards than it is now
by JohhnyK (post 44)
of mistaking myself for the Dalai Lama
of stirred up strong responses
of being a saccharine spouting, sanctimonious fool
How proud do you think your parents would be of your comments?
As the cause of all anger is internal, rather than attacking me by calling me a fool, my ideas disgusting, that I'm instigating campaigns to bring about communism or the end of paid piloting, taking drugs etc perhaps you could consider the barriers you have in your mind to enjoying your flying?
Not once have I said a word about flying for free. However that hasn't stopped a number of you from launching attacks about perceived inequalities in pilot payment that your paranoia claims I support.
You'll remember I told you to grow up and stop whining?
The collective group paranoia of a number of negative people feeds on itself so you all jump on someone suggesting love (of flight) over hate (of salary).
Flyers used to inspire others. Now most of you just seem to feed off each others negativity.
Its just as well we're not in the village square as some of you seem ready to throw rocks at one trying to remind you to love the beauty of flight.
In Post 18
I suggested that to be men you stop complaining and whining about money all the time and talk about flight, flying and flyers and wondered what famous aviators would think of your negative attitudes. (see list of respected aviators in post 18)
In Post 21
I suggested moving away from this obsession people have on PPRuNe to complain about money all the time and, since ecovictim spoke of his acting dreams, suggest that after gaining the support of his family he pursue that path. I also mentioned he should feel lucky he can fly.
In Post 25
I corrected havick regarding his accusatory misunderstanding regarding government assistance my family received when I was a child, congratulated him for receiving 6 figures and suggest he consider sharing his wealth through a charity.
In Post 30
I wished havick enjoy his new sports car/investment property.
In Post 34
I again tried to point out the initial question I proposed in post 18 was what would Smithy (and like aviation heroes) thought of all your negativity. I also suggested that the Super Soldier take a chill pill, which appeared to work as it reduced his next message to just three words. Finally I suggested relaxing and enjoying the beauty of flight.
In Post 35
I thanked the Green Goblin for calling me a MAF pilot and dreamed for an instant a world where flying = helping rather than getting.
For the above I've been accused of
by eocvictim - (posts 20)
cheapening a career choice
telling him he doesn't deserve a brass razoo
been idoitic about peoples lives and careers
being linked to a communist conspiracy
by havick (post 23)
mooching off govt handouts
freely admit pocketing said handouts
by eocvictim (post 27)
my family should be committed for having me
by das Uber Soldat (post 30)
having a disgusting attitude
by The Green Goblin (post 32)
of sounding like a MAF pilot
by j3pipercub (posy 33)
of being a GI-NORMOUS TOOL (complete with complimentary photo)
of having a warped mind
by Cutter796
of giving employers the opportunity to cry poor and offer peasant wages
of wanting to fly aircraft for nothing
by Dragun (post 41)
of having my head in the clouds
by puff (post 43)
of bringing the world of paid flight to different standards than it is now
by JohhnyK (post 44)
of mistaking myself for the Dalai Lama
of stirred up strong responses
of being a saccharine spouting, sanctimonious fool
How proud do you think your parents would be of your comments?
As the cause of all anger is internal, rather than attacking me by calling me a fool, my ideas disgusting, that I'm instigating campaigns to bring about communism or the end of paid piloting, taking drugs etc perhaps you could consider the barriers you have in your mind to enjoying your flying?
I'm sorry folks, but aren't we all perhaps making a lot of assumptions with this particular job ad?
I am someone who applied for it because I would really love a chance to get into Seaplanes, personally it sounds like they want someone who is going to be able to deal well with their customers, someone who can answer a phone and not only give details on what they do but actually convince the person on the other end that they really should do it!
Incentive driven renumeration? Sounds good to me, the better I do the more I get paid, only people who would luck out there are the ones who are lazy and only do a half arsed job!!
Must be prepare for Training/ICUS, fair enough, I won't be starting straight away as PIC, thats fairly standard isn't it? To check people out and have them operating the way you want them to operate before letting them run free by themselves?
And paying for the floatplane endorsement? I really don't see how thats such a terrible thing? Not to mention it doesn't mention how its paid, how much is paid etc... Perhaps you could ask them to put you on a bond of some sort thats equal to the value of the training and if your still there after a year they'll reimburse you that amount. Stops people coming in and using them as a free training organisation!!
No where does it mention i'll be required to walk the owners dog, clean their car, do their laundry or anything such thing... are we just putting a bad stereotype on this job or do others know something about this operator I don't and should be made aware of?
I'm genuinely looking for other peoples input here as yes I am a young pilot but so far as I can see this would be a good chance to get my foot in the door and start down a path I'm really interested in and I don't see how i'd be putting anyone else out as I don't suppose any really experience Floatplane Pilots would be that interested in a job such as this?
P.S. Yes I am jumping on the Weloveseaplanes isn't quite all there bandwagon
I am someone who applied for it because I would really love a chance to get into Seaplanes, personally it sounds like they want someone who is going to be able to deal well with their customers, someone who can answer a phone and not only give details on what they do but actually convince the person on the other end that they really should do it!
Incentive driven renumeration? Sounds good to me, the better I do the more I get paid, only people who would luck out there are the ones who are lazy and only do a half arsed job!!
Must be prepare for Training/ICUS, fair enough, I won't be starting straight away as PIC, thats fairly standard isn't it? To check people out and have them operating the way you want them to operate before letting them run free by themselves?
And paying for the floatplane endorsement? I really don't see how thats such a terrible thing? Not to mention it doesn't mention how its paid, how much is paid etc... Perhaps you could ask them to put you on a bond of some sort thats equal to the value of the training and if your still there after a year they'll reimburse you that amount. Stops people coming in and using them as a free training organisation!!
No where does it mention i'll be required to walk the owners dog, clean their car, do their laundry or anything such thing... are we just putting a bad stereotype on this job or do others know something about this operator I don't and should be made aware of?
I'm genuinely looking for other peoples input here as yes I am a young pilot but so far as I can see this would be a good chance to get my foot in the door and start down a path I'm really interested in and I don't see how i'd be putting anyone else out as I don't suppose any really experience Floatplane Pilots would be that interested in a job such as this?
P.S. Yes I am jumping on the Weloveseaplanes isn't quite all there bandwagon
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Go Ixixly!
Good luck with the job, give it a crack. Freeing yourself from the officaldom of prison like airports by flying from the water will be a beautiful time in your life.
Stand up to the negative chickenlicken doomsayers as the sky's not falling down and you won't be walking the owners dog.
P.P.S. Can I am jump on the Weloveseaplanes isn't quite all there bandwagon too? (safety in numbers and all that
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Good luck with the job, give it a crack. Freeing yourself from the officaldom of prison like airports by flying from the water will be a beautiful time in your life.
Stand up to the negative chickenlicken doomsayers as the sky's not falling down and you won't be walking the owners dog.
P.P.S. Can I am jump on the Weloveseaplanes isn't quite all there bandwagon too? (safety in numbers and all that
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I never said the ads not a complete sham... I'm saying that with the little knowledge I have I can see another side that doesn't look all doom and gloom and would be interested if getting other "Informed" opinions as well!!
And no you may not get on the bandwagon...its full...find your own
And no you may not get on the bandwagon...its full...find your own
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I can only hope that you are taking the piss and enjoying all the bites you are getting.
Find it hard to beleive someone could be so passionate about living off hand outs. As previously said, hard to fix this accepted practice if we are not united - you and Ix sound like you can touch your toes very well. Good luck at J*, smiley face for each of you
I can only hope that you are taking the piss and enjoying all the bites you are getting.
Find it hard to beleive someone could be so passionate about living off hand outs. As previously said, hard to fix this accepted practice if we are not united - you and Ix sound like you can touch your toes very well. Good luck at J*, smiley face for each of you
When you live....
Incentive driven renumeration? Sounds good to me, the better I do the more I get paid, only people who would luck out there are the ones who are lazy and only do a half arsed job!!
As others have said, if they can't pay you award then their business model sucks....
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And what about the soon to retire pilot who would love to work only a couple of days a week flying a seaplane out of the gold coast?? Sounds appealing to me.
If you want full time work don't apply!
If you want full time work don't apply!
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Back to the original post:
Surprised to see that cloud nine are looking for another low time guy. After all, the last low hour guy they had ended up on a sand bar upside down in ELQ. Thought they might have learnt a lesson out of that, obviously not. It may be a cheap way of getting a pilot but it aint the best option if history is anything to go by. You get what you pay for!
Want someone you can trust not to put your plane upside down then you have to pay the $$ via wages, getting someone that you hope wont is a lot cheaper...until you have to pay the insurance premiums and excess.
Surprised to see that cloud nine are looking for another low time guy. After all, the last low hour guy they had ended up on a sand bar upside down in ELQ. Thought they might have learnt a lesson out of that, obviously not. It may be a cheap way of getting a pilot but it aint the best option if history is anything to go by. You get what you pay for!
Want someone you can trust not to put your plane upside down then you have to pay the $$ via wages, getting someone that you hope wont is a lot cheaper...until you have to pay the insurance premiums and excess.
I thought I remembered that being a bad situation for the pilot involved hugh? Hard to see pot that shouldn't have been where it was if memory serves, anyone else remember? And maybe hes just someone that likes to give us lower hour guys a go? theres very few of them still around these days it seems due to things like insurance.
Underneaththeradar, thats a fair point mate, I'd do my own research of course and ask around to find out just how much work they do get and i'd want some sort of guarantee from the employer as well, but i've yet to see anywhere that it says they'll pay under the award? Once again, thats another pretty big assumption to be making, all it says is Renumeration is incentive driven, which could quite possibly mean you'll earn the basic award rate but if you are personally responsible for increasing business through sales and talking to customers the boss may increase it or give you a bonus. Not saying thats necessarily the case but theres nothing in there that says the person who gets the job will be paid under the award.
And once again cutter796, your making another assumption that i'd bend over for this job. I said nothing of the sort and I don't appreciate the assumption that I would nor you grouping me in with Seaplanelover.
My entire point, your all making a lot of assumptions and twisting what the advertisement says and so far I haven't seen anyone with an real facts on it. Seems like we're all talking about pilot unity and getting together to help our profession as a whole and then this ad comes up giving lower hour guys a go and you all immediately make the assumption that is dodgy or that it'll be underpaid or that the successful applicant will be made to take it up the clanker for it.
I'll quite happily make up my mind when I have some solid information on it assuming I even get far enough through the selection to be able to ask for such information or when someone else comes forward with some solid information as well. Maybe you guys could try the same?
Underneaththeradar, thats a fair point mate, I'd do my own research of course and ask around to find out just how much work they do get and i'd want some sort of guarantee from the employer as well, but i've yet to see anywhere that it says they'll pay under the award? Once again, thats another pretty big assumption to be making, all it says is Renumeration is incentive driven, which could quite possibly mean you'll earn the basic award rate but if you are personally responsible for increasing business through sales and talking to customers the boss may increase it or give you a bonus. Not saying thats necessarily the case but theres nothing in there that says the person who gets the job will be paid under the award.
And once again cutter796, your making another assumption that i'd bend over for this job. I said nothing of the sort and I don't appreciate the assumption that I would nor you grouping me in with Seaplanelover.
My entire point, your all making a lot of assumptions and twisting what the advertisement says and so far I haven't seen anyone with an real facts on it. Seems like we're all talking about pilot unity and getting together to help our profession as a whole and then this ad comes up giving lower hour guys a go and you all immediately make the assumption that is dodgy or that it'll be underpaid or that the successful applicant will be made to take it up the clanker for it.
I'll quite happily make up my mind when I have some solid information on it assuming I even get far enough through the selection to be able to ask for such information or when someone else comes forward with some solid information as well. Maybe you guys could try the same?
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You guys are ridiculous.. This is a good opportunity for some young gun CPL kid to gain some exposure to the industry make some contacts and a good reference for the future to show that he is keen... My first job was office duties I was 18 it was perfect for me to show i was keen to make it. I am over all you idiots on here with your disgusting negative comments. over and out..
The thread should be closed. The guy is either a troll or a moron, and neither are beneficial to anyone.
Just because you fell for it a7 doesn't mean it was a good thing either for you or anyone else following.
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remoak: You dry bugger! sounds like your sexually deprived or It sounds like you are suffering from a mental illness called Clinical Depression... Boost up your dosage and see a therapist u depressed **!!. There are young players on here who actually look forward to their future and do not need to listen to your poison. Show some respect! Go AND become an accountant and live in 4 walls surrounded by more miserable *** ."my mates are accountants" hahah you dry bugger!
To me Aviation is a wonderful industry surrounded by passionate people who love their job. It’s a journey and it’s an adventure and the only people who make it are the ones who want it bad enough. The reason it’s so difficult is to keep the other guys out and keep the people who want it bad enough! It’s a tough industry and no one will give you a job on a silver platter...it’s always been this way! Always! So I don’t see why you guys are complaining about it now, you should've done your research before you become pilots.
To me Aviation is a wonderful industry surrounded by passionate people who love their job. It’s a journey and it’s an adventure and the only people who make it are the ones who want it bad enough. The reason it’s so difficult is to keep the other guys out and keep the people who want it bad enough! It’s a tough industry and no one will give you a job on a silver platter...it’s always been this way! Always! So I don’t see why you guys are complaining about it now, you should've done your research before you become pilots.
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Who are you referring to, Seaplanelover or archangel7.
Just because you fell for it a7 doesn't mean it was a good thing either for you or anyone else following.
Just because you fell for it a7 doesn't mean it was a good thing either for you or anyone else following.
Ill pretend its not a wind-up.
archangel7, you get thrown into the same basket as the other muppet. Simple question, if you work as a pilot, should you receive as a minimum the award? Don't go on some verbal safari with some random justification. Just a yes or no please.