Cessna C208 RPT Wages
'320' goto the Govt web site 'fair work Australia' there you will find a copy of the 30th June 2010 Air Pilot Award. C208 doesn't feature as far as I can see under the full time wages for Regional Airlines for Eg. but C206 does funny enough.
Somewhere between $38K to $42K base perhaps but hopefully a lot more.
$42K base for most 6 to 10 seat light piston twins....God how do people survive on that!
Wmk2
Somewhere between $38K to $42K base perhaps but hopefully a lot more.
$42K base for most 6 to 10 seat light piston twins....God how do people survive on that!
Wmk2
C208 Grand MTOW=3969 kg
thus
Single engine 1360 kg & above
$ 34,640
turbine allowance
7.97x637.94 = 5084
Mecir Allowance
7.32x637.84= 4669
thus Annual Salary of $ 44393
Add another $ 1167 for RPT ops.
thus
Single engine 1360 kg & above
$ 34,640
turbine allowance
7.97x637.94 = 5084
Mecir Allowance
7.32x637.84= 4669
thus Annual Salary of $ 44393
Add another $ 1167 for RPT ops.
Somewhere between $38K to $42K base perhaps but hopefully a lot more. $42K base for most 6 to 10 seat light piston twins....God how do people survive on that!
If you consider driving a C206 to be the "starting level" in a flying career, then you need to look at starting salaries of other professions:
Mean starting salaries in 2009:
Civil engineers - $50,000
Pharmacists - $34,000
Veterinarians - $40,000
Medicine - $52,000
Lawyers - $45,500 (if you can find a job at the moment)
Teachers - $46,000
Accountants - $42,000
All of the above are 3 - 6 yr of tertiary studies. How long does it take to get a CPL (full time)? 1 yr - if you are a bit slow? Call it 2 yrs for CPL, MECIR and ATPL subjects!
Dr
PS: Pilots are not "special". Forget the starting salary - if you want to be a professional pilot - go fly!
Dr it's not all about wages as we know in aviation it's also about the 'C' in T&C's. I'd like to see lawyers on that sort of coin! None of those professions you listed have to put up with flying death traps (in some cases) & none would be going to work hoping like hell they come home that night alive! Not to mention that their whole career is but just one step away from a poor med result. There in lies the biggest diff from us to them in flying you need to perform almost flawlessly every day you go to work where as most other industries there is/are many ways to hide ones inadequacies.
Yr right though pilots are not special this is obvious & you don't need any tertiary education to perform the task either unlike yr listed professions. In fact you only need to barley read & right to be a pilot!
Wmk2
Yr right though pilots are not special this is obvious & you don't need any tertiary education to perform the task either unlike yr listed professions. In fact you only need to barley read & right to be a pilot!
Wmk2
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Flying is not that dangerous of a profession...
Civil engineers - a bridge could fall on you
Pharmacists - druggos try and rob you
Veterinarians - cows can kick you and dogs might have rabies
Medicine - needlestick injury
Lawyers - any number of people want to take you out
Teachers - the kids want you dead
Accountants - the tax man wants you dead
as for a flying instructor - your students try and kill you every day!
Civil engineers - a bridge could fall on you
Pharmacists - druggos try and rob you
Veterinarians - cows can kick you and dogs might have rabies
Medicine - needlestick injury
Lawyers - any number of people want to take you out
Teachers - the kids want you dead
Accountants - the tax man wants you dead
as for a flying instructor - your students try and kill you every day!
There in lies the biggest diff from us to them in flying you need to perform almost flawlessly every day you go to work where as most other industries there is/are many ways to hide ones inadequacies.
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Yeah but thats the theoretical minimum you can pay one of those professionals..trouble with aviation is companies actually pay pilots the award..see if you can find a hospital that pays a registrar 50K
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In danger of adding to the thread drift, but can I add to Wally's comments that all of those other jobs listed have good career paths which will see them earning considerably more than the coin mentioned within a few years. How long does it takes pilots (if they ever get there) after outlaying more to start with?
And FTDK, I still think that Wally's comments about performance have some merit. There is a lot less acceptance and allowance for mistakes in aviation than other industries. Even some Doctors admit there is an aweful lot the medical profession could learn from aviation. Also got to love how pilots' actions over a couple of minutes can be scrutinised in minute detail publicly with the benefit of media hype and armchair 20/20 vision. Like AFL footy refs really, only for us there are lives, multi-million dollar machinery and company reputations and survival at stake not just some game score...!
And FTDK, I still think that Wally's comments about performance have some merit. There is a lot less acceptance and allowance for mistakes in aviation than other industries. Even some Doctors admit there is an aweful lot the medical profession could learn from aviation. Also got to love how pilots' actions over a couple of minutes can be scrutinised in minute detail publicly with the benefit of media hype and armchair 20/20 vision. Like AFL footy refs really, only for us there are lives, multi-million dollar machinery and company reputations and survival at stake not just some game score...!
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I realise we are talking salary structures and the like here. Sure each aircraft type, role and location probably demands it's own pay and conditions....and in my experience probably does.
I have worked in many countries and on more than a few continents in the world,- I am not so sure I have seen being a pilot as a profession.
As stated a CPL is often gained in a year or so.. and the exams and requirements are not at all difficult.
I see many in the industry as part timers and I have flown alongside fireman pilots, policeman pilots and even a judge pilot.... many here will know that one company.
If we believe most people posting on this site are Commercial Pilots then the level of education is well apparent. Spelling, grammar and logical thinking are variable.... and that is putting it politely. Not anywhere near I would class a professional level of competency.
I have been around for many years and have seen the stepping stone nature of the industry. The pay is there, it is always on the next step up. same with engineers and their conditions.
The cyclic nature of the business affects the ease of changing steps, or position, within the industry. ie it is easier to get paid more because you have stepped up one rung.
hmmmm.. I guess in the good times guys get there a little quicker than expected... in fact quicker than we all expect.
hmmmm.. professionals.....I don't think so somehow.
I have worked in many countries and on more than a few continents in the world,- I am not so sure I have seen being a pilot as a profession.
As stated a CPL is often gained in a year or so.. and the exams and requirements are not at all difficult.
I see many in the industry as part timers and I have flown alongside fireman pilots, policeman pilots and even a judge pilot.... many here will know that one company.
If we believe most people posting on this site are Commercial Pilots then the level of education is well apparent. Spelling, grammar and logical thinking are variable.... and that is putting it politely. Not anywhere near I would class a professional level of competency.
I have been around for many years and have seen the stepping stone nature of the industry. The pay is there, it is always on the next step up. same with engineers and their conditions.
The cyclic nature of the business affects the ease of changing steps, or position, within the industry. ie it is easier to get paid more because you have stepped up one rung.
hmmmm.. I guess in the good times guys get there a little quicker than expected... in fact quicker than we all expect.
hmmmm.. professionals.....I don't think so somehow.
Registrar Vs Intern
see if you can find a hospital that pays a registrar 50K
A first-year pilot salary is more akin to that of an intern - and then we might also note that the intern has done 5 years Uni AND will now work shifts of 24-36 CONSECUTIVE HOURS
If we believe most people posting on this site are Commercial Pilots then the level of education is well apparent. Spelling, grammar and logical thinking are variable.... and that is putting it politely. Not anywhere near I would class a professional level of competency.
Quod erat demonstrandum!
All you fresh CPL whiners out there should try work as a musician for 15 years..I cant count past 4, but I'd be lucky if made 40 grand in that whole time..
If your in this game for the cash you are gonna be sorely disappointed for a few years at least and a lot longer if all you do is whine about it.
You gotta be in it for the love, and all the employers know that.
Just get up there and enjoy it or give it up, go scrub dunny's and make a packet.
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Originally Posted by baron beeza
...I have flown alongside fireman pilots, policeman pilots and even a judge pilot...
) little altercation with the aircraft? If so, 'twas me who returned the aircraft that day for swift repair!
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RS.... yep you are onto it. I was there a little earlier than the events you are (your ) describing. I have been back more recently working in the hangar at times though. I am equally sure our paths have crossed in the past.
I thought I would be crucified for my comments on the professionalism of some pilots.
I had a jumped up flatmate doing his CPL at the ChCh sausage factory and he had very limited knowledge of the industry. A pilot (??) who was a menace about aircraft in a hangar (idle hands) and seemed to only know about aircraft types in their fleet. He didn't know a Cessna 206 for example.
Generally pilots gain experience in the first few years of the job, but that is true of many jobs.
I have intimate knowledge of military pilot training.... naturally much more professional. I think the difference there being the selection and culling process along with the calibre of the various instructors.
We see pages written here on the attitudes and airmanship displayed in GA.
A thread deviation from the subject of pay rates for a C208 driver,- hopefully by the time a guy gets to fly that type he has acquired the necessary airmanship skills and background. Most have of course.
I thought I would be crucified for my comments on the professionalism of some pilots.
I had a jumped up flatmate doing his CPL at the ChCh sausage factory and he had very limited knowledge of the industry. A pilot (??) who was a menace about aircraft in a hangar (idle hands) and seemed to only know about aircraft types in their fleet. He didn't know a Cessna 206 for example.
Generally pilots gain experience in the first few years of the job, but that is true of many jobs.
I have intimate knowledge of military pilot training.... naturally much more professional. I think the difference there being the selection and culling process along with the calibre of the various instructors.
We see pages written here on the attitudes and airmanship displayed in GA.
A thread deviation from the subject of pay rates for a C208 driver,- hopefully by the time a guy gets to fly that type he has acquired the necessary airmanship skills and background. Most have of course.
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I think I may well be onto it bro -and you're right, my time at "that one company" was subsequent to your tenure... although, I do recall having been a fortunate invitee to the salubrious precinct of the Filthy Squadron as a raw student. A great night in the company of Rog, Maurie, KS x2 
and others, including the inimitable Donk! Who could forget...
I think Pink Elephants may have been sighted on a local phallic landmark during the course of that evening too!
Yeah, I agree. It does seem professionalism standards are falling (QED)... I reckon I was a bit lucky to come to the industry a bit later in life, with a few of the rough edges on the way to becoming less pronounced, and to have learned from those already mentioned, not to depreate the calm, insightful presence of PK as CP and RA, DCP.
A superb place to learn your trade.
and others, including the inimitable Donk! Who could forget...I think Pink Elephants may have been sighted on a local phallic landmark during the course of that evening too!
Yeah, I agree. It does seem professionalism standards are falling (QED)... I reckon I was a bit lucky to come to the industry a bit later in life, with a few of the rough edges on the way to becoming less pronounced, and to have learned from those already mentioned, not to depreate the calm, insightful presence of PK as CP and RA, DCP.
A superb place to learn your trade.
