Oxford Aviation Academy ripping off Jetstar applicants

[43Inches]

Metrosmoker;

Nice to be able sit up high and hang **** on guys who are only doing what it takes to get a job with the airlines these days.

Two years ago the airlines were complaining that they can't find pilots and were hirning just about anyone. So just a year or so later everyone is so desperate (or impatient) to get a jet job they will now shaft themselves out of future income?

Not one person has ever came out and said they agree with the way things are going. High paying G.A jobs are rare. So for guys who don`t have one of them, paying $30k for an endoresment that will give you a $30k payrise in your first year, makes perfect economical sense.

But not only are you paying at least $30k upfront, most are agreeing to very reduced terms and conditions. I think the overall value being given up here is far and above Krustys' $210k when you count in the income lost over a career compared to a number of years ago, think long term not just the next few years.

I spent a long time in GA when the airlines were not hiring anyone, have not paid for a job or endorsement since I started working many years ago.

Not in the slightest. Cause they guy that would have taken my job had I not wouldn`t be giving the first damn thought about my plight.
I live in the real world , not your pilot fantasy land. Wake up to yourself.

This unfortunately sums up most pilots attitudes to each other. The aviation world is the fantasy world, where else would workers pay $30k for a job for which they already hold the relevent qualifications, the endorsement is the companies problem as they see fit to pay for it once your employed (because they have too!). Tell an engineer to pay $30k to learn the individual characteristics of the building he will be paid to maintain or charge a truck driver one third to half his income to learn how to drive the new rig you bought for him to drive. You will get a very blunt answer.

[Sue Ridgepipe]

charge a truck driver one third to half his income to learn how to drive the new rig you bought for him to drive

43Inches I think your argument is a bit flawed there. Most adds I see for truck drivers require that the applicant already hold the required licence before applying for the job.

If, however, your current employer deicdes to buy a new rig for you, then that is a different story. In that case I would expect an employer to bear the cost of training you to operate it. Just like I would expect J* to bear the cost of training their employees to operate the new 787s when they arrive.

Don't get me wrong, I do not agree with this pay-for-type rating crap, just I don't see the logic in your argument.

[43Inches]

43Inches I think your argument is a bit flawed there. Most adds I see for truck drivers require that the applicant already hold the required licence before applying for the job.

Heavy ridgid licence cost me $500aud including test a few years back, first years work at least $30,000 and up. But thats not the point, The HR Licence is like getting your CPL, it allows you to drive that range of vehicles. What i'm getting at is if you decided to work for someone who then operated a Kenworth for example would you pay out another $10k for training on it?

CASA just mandates a specific type endorsement and minimum training for each type. The airlines then to save money (and make some) has passed that cost onto you as the pilot. I have no problem with pilots paying for their initial training, but to pay to train on someones particular equipment to offset the cost of operating and compete with established operators is beyond reasonable. Everybody loses in the end as the only way to compete with workers subsidising their operations is to eventually do the same yourself.

[Bo777]

Anyone believe in karma?

[ejet3]

LOL I wouldn't work at OAA just get single engine 172 time 2000 hours 172 day VFR great hours no chance of getting on the c90 plus doing IFR in a aircraft that has out of date GPS databases

[newagebird]

the old boss is out guys, the boys from england run the show now.

[The Bunglerat]

Really? I heard they kept him on in a "consulting" capacity. Oh well, no love lost there. The former CFI was an absolute gentleman & one of the best bosses I ever had in this or any other industry, but as for RC, I think it best I bite my tongue and say as little as possible.

[Snatch]

Any other ATPL holders?

If there are any other ATPL holders out there sucked in by this mob:

OAA have basically taken you for a ride and you are out of pocket for something you were NEVER eligible for.

Did you lose a day (or more) of paid work for this?

Did you travel from interstate for this?

How far out of pocket are you?

Whether you got the position or not, ATPL holders never got what they thought they were paying for: a shot at Jetstar.

If Jetstar/OAA aren't going to accept ATPL holders for the Advanced Cadetship, then every ATPL holder who applied is entitled to claim from OAA not only their $330 application fee but every expense incurred in reliance upon OAA's statements.

At least one fella has lost his position - how are OAA going to compensate for that?

[Col. Flagg]

I must say this is a massive balls up!

What is the state of play at the moment with this whole program? does anyone actually know?

Flagg

[overhere]

Can anyone confirm the above statement that assessment days were conducted differently? This is also a major issue in the recruitment process.

[onezeroonethree]

Can anyone confirm the above statement that assessment days were conducted differently? This is also a major issue in the recruitment process.

Affirm.

[CRM87]

Jetstar have just started a cadetship because apparently there is a "pilot shortage" yet they have 60 direct entry pilots in a hold pool. And they won’t hire cadets with an ATPL. Imagine if the general public knew Jetstar were hiring far less experienced pilots for the sake of saving 40k in salary! Today Tonight loves stories such as this.

I feel real sorry for all the ATPL holders who went for the interview. Travel costs plus time off work and $330.00 for the interview. If they are not excepting ATPL holders, I would be calling them up asking for compensation.

Best of luck!

[Jethro Gibbs]

$330.00 for the interview For F#&k Sake
I cannot believe people pay for an interview they should be paying for your time.

[fokkerplod]

Oxford screwed me too for BMI application some years back

Oxford (CSE as it was then) back in the UK have been doing this for years as they charged me £400 at the time for a BMI selection process, only to be told on the day; again after travelling to Kidlington at great expense, oh youve got too many hours (about 200hrs s.eng and passed my frozen ATPL exams), and youve too much experience and thanks for the money.... w**nkers


Never mind got a job the hard way and stuff them, now on B777

fokkerplod

[Mr. Hat]

Its all part of the training to work for Jetstar. Get used to being ripped off right at the start will hold you in good stead for when you are sitting in your new airbus.

[ejet3]

How are you going to get the stats tho? eg the amount of hours people had when they applied and what % got rejected who had a atpl and the % who didnt have a atpl?

Good luck jetstar will just say sorry this people didn't pass the interviews etc

[A37575]

nd then through reduced salary as a Junior FO

Are you saying a "junior" first officer is actually second in command of an A320 with 150 plus passengers who assume obviously wrongly that their plane is crewed by two very experienced pilots.

[SgtBundy]

Are you saying a "junior" first officer is actually second in command of an A320 with 150 plus passengers who assume obviously wrongly that their plane is crewed by two very experienced pilots.

That's where you get the "budget" part of budget airlines isn't it?
Other than charging for food, the loo and carrying more than your wallet on board.

[27/09]

it's not explained clearly on their website.........

Why would they want to? Otherwise even those with the rose tinted glasses would see how maddenly bad this modern slavery is.

[strim]

Why, as an ATPL holder, would you even apply for this 'scheme'?

On paper you are qualified for a number of other opportunities. Just wait and keep the hours building up.

WTF is the rush to get into a jet these days!?!

It's starting to get me down, the fact there aren't too many career options in Australian airlines anymore that you don't have to pay for. What a twisted industry.