Is RACWA on finals? YOU WERE WARNED!!
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"......If you guys spent two minutes searching their website instead of bagging anyone connected with the club from the commitee down to the instructors and bar staff you would have found this...
Royal Aero Club of Western Australia - RACWA Constitution"
The Club Constitution is important for what it DOESN'T include as much as for what is written there. The things which are not there could and should have easily been the subject of member-agreed changes but that would have involved much discussion and very probably dissent. The then-Committee were keen enough to have the constitution changed to make the tenure of office 2 years instead of one, to reduce the size of the Committee (avoid the inclusion of nay-sayers?) and to have themselves henceforth called Directors and Board-members. They put those things to the membership!
Not in the constitution (as amended) - Authority for the Committe/Board to pledge members' assets as security for a loan; authority for the Club to borrow money other than from members.
It would have been a brave bank loans officer indeed who would dare say to a Senior Commissioner in the Industrial Court & to the Senior Executive of the Anglican Schools Commission - 'Show me your authority to sign these mortgage documents?'
It is therefore cogent to ask, in the absence of such specific authority - who owns WAAC, etc. Who did borrow the funds? But perhaps most important - whose is the responsibility to make repayments?
Royal Aero Club of Western Australia - RACWA Constitution"
The Club Constitution is important for what it DOESN'T include as much as for what is written there. The things which are not there could and should have easily been the subject of member-agreed changes but that would have involved much discussion and very probably dissent. The then-Committee were keen enough to have the constitution changed to make the tenure of office 2 years instead of one, to reduce the size of the Committee (avoid the inclusion of nay-sayers?) and to have themselves henceforth called Directors and Board-members. They put those things to the membership!
Not in the constitution (as amended) - Authority for the Committe/Board to pledge members' assets as security for a loan; authority for the Club to borrow money other than from members.
It would have been a brave bank loans officer indeed who would dare say to a Senior Commissioner in the Industrial Court & to the Senior Executive of the Anglican Schools Commission - 'Show me your authority to sign these mortgage documents?'
It is therefore cogent to ask, in the absence of such specific authority - who owns WAAC, etc. Who did borrow the funds? But perhaps most important - whose is the responsibility to make repayments?
Nirak this is about the last place I would rely on for accurate information.
It's not called a Rumour network for nothing. Go down to the club and have a look around and talk to some people if you are really that interested.
It's not called a Rumour network for nothing. Go down to the club and have a look around and talk to some people if you are really that interested.
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What is wrong with you people? Do you have nothing better to do with your days than to spend it sitting on here in a state of readiness to post the latest crap that you have all thought up?
Do you want to know the latest... some real news hot off the press??? Of course you do. Well here it is...
At about 11:30 this morning I was at RACWA and they were out of tea bags!!! However by about 11:35 they had tea bags!!! Crisis over. Now that was close!!!!
I am sorry I didn't post that earlier but I had other more pressing matters to attend to like trying to piece together the tools to start a flying career. Just like all those other instructors down there, doing the same. Just trying to make a living out of flying. Let them do it in peace without being slagged off on here because you had a bad experience or you didn't get a pass on a flight test first time or they didn't wash their cars the day the flew with you. It's a grotesque display of human behavior. Certainly not the behavior I would expect a group of pilots to show towards each other.
I was told during my training at RACWA that part of being a good pilot is to look out for each other, to watch each others backs. If we see someone struggling, lend them a hand. Even as late as last week I was told, that there wouldn't be a single pilot out there that wouldn't lend me a hand whether I knew them or not. Sadly, I come on this forum and I see signs that there are pilots out there (like Wiley Coyote and Nirak etc) that will turn their back on me if I ever needed them. To think there are people out there, in the air, like that, so quick to turn a blind eye, or to lay the boot in while others are down, frankly, scares the **** out me. It will be a cold day in hell before I ever get in the air with any of you. But I tell you what, I know that there would not be one Instructor or any other pilot I have trained with that would ever turn their back on me, or anyone else. Thats something that I saw from the start. And if you are worth anything as a pilot, its something you should never forget. I am about to finish a course there next week along side 3 other outstanding guys, who haven't forgotten this. I would go to no ends to help these guys out because I know they are willing to do exactly the same for me.
It's not even about being a good pilot, its just about being a person of sound character. Be careful when you start kicking people when they are down, as you will never know when you, yourself may fall.
Its childish and really outright pathetic that a lot of you jump one here and hide behind some made up name and start slagging not only RACWA off but actually attack people by name. Let them get on with their jobs. Stop adding fuel to the fire. I am not going to hide from anyone here so here is my number 0414 399 313. If you think what I have said is not valid, or you don't agree, dont slag me off on here... man up, grow a pair of balls and ring me.
As Mark Twain once told me...
"Loyalty to petrified opinions never yet broke a chain or freed a human soul in this world--and never will."
Do you want to know the latest... some real news hot off the press??? Of course you do. Well here it is...
At about 11:30 this morning I was at RACWA and they were out of tea bags!!! However by about 11:35 they had tea bags!!! Crisis over. Now that was close!!!!
I am sorry I didn't post that earlier but I had other more pressing matters to attend to like trying to piece together the tools to start a flying career. Just like all those other instructors down there, doing the same. Just trying to make a living out of flying. Let them do it in peace without being slagged off on here because you had a bad experience or you didn't get a pass on a flight test first time or they didn't wash their cars the day the flew with you. It's a grotesque display of human behavior. Certainly not the behavior I would expect a group of pilots to show towards each other.
I was told during my training at RACWA that part of being a good pilot is to look out for each other, to watch each others backs. If we see someone struggling, lend them a hand. Even as late as last week I was told, that there wouldn't be a single pilot out there that wouldn't lend me a hand whether I knew them or not. Sadly, I come on this forum and I see signs that there are pilots out there (like Wiley Coyote and Nirak etc) that will turn their back on me if I ever needed them. To think there are people out there, in the air, like that, so quick to turn a blind eye, or to lay the boot in while others are down, frankly, scares the **** out me. It will be a cold day in hell before I ever get in the air with any of you. But I tell you what, I know that there would not be one Instructor or any other pilot I have trained with that would ever turn their back on me, or anyone else. Thats something that I saw from the start. And if you are worth anything as a pilot, its something you should never forget. I am about to finish a course there next week along side 3 other outstanding guys, who haven't forgotten this. I would go to no ends to help these guys out because I know they are willing to do exactly the same for me.
It's not even about being a good pilot, its just about being a person of sound character. Be careful when you start kicking people when they are down, as you will never know when you, yourself may fall.
Its childish and really outright pathetic that a lot of you jump one here and hide behind some made up name and start slagging not only RACWA off but actually attack people by name. Let them get on with their jobs. Stop adding fuel to the fire. I am not going to hide from anyone here so here is my number 0414 399 313. If you think what I have said is not valid, or you don't agree, dont slag me off on here... man up, grow a pair of balls and ring me.
As Mark Twain once told me...
"Loyalty to petrified opinions never yet broke a chain or freed a human soul in this world--and never will."
Nirak there is a big difference to me looking at the thread to see what tripe has been written today than to you seeking out "updates" on the situation. Best of luck.
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I do not recall that I have ever said anything negative about Racwa or WAAC.
To assume that asking for an "update" makes me a circling vulture could be very far from the truth, a fabrication of your own fear and emotional reactions.
Please try not to fall into the trap of "shooting the messenger" as you appear to be doing now.
What I was looking for I may not necescarrily find in the pub either.
To assume that asking for an "update" makes me a circling vulture could be very far from the truth, a fabrication of your own fear and emotional reactions.
Please try not to fall into the trap of "shooting the messenger" as you appear to be doing now.
What I was looking for I may not necescarrily find in the pub either.
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Why are you choosing to stand back at a distance and hover about asking for the updates and opinions of others? If you don't want it to fail completely as you say, why are you not at least trying to help? Instead you sit here inviting others to give you issues you can then aggravate on this forum before you retreat and hide behind your anonymity. It must be nice to able to do such a thing and not see the consequence your game has on others.
I didn't insinuate that you said anything negative about RACWA or WAAC, simply observed here is not the best place to find information and that you would be better served calling or visiting the club. You then told me perhaps I should have gone AWOL as per my nickname here.
I still stand by the fact you will be better served visiting the club than you will searching for information on here or at the pub.
I still stand by the fact you will be better served visiting the club than you will searching for information on here or at the pub.
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Why am I watching from a distance?
I have tried to contribute for a number of years and both Racwa and WAAC management told me "We know what we are doing, GET LOST !!!"
They are the masters of this mess, no doubt about that, so I am observing from a safe distance.
Just very interested to see how they are going to get themselves out of this mess, but alas, until their arrogance reduce and the lessons to be learnt are learnt, I hold my breath...
Believe me, I have lots of reasons to be very angry about, so refrain from making assumptions, mate
I have tried to contribute for a number of years and both Racwa and WAAC management told me "We know what we are doing, GET LOST !!!"
They are the masters of this mess, no doubt about that, so I am observing from a safe distance.
Just very interested to see how they are going to get themselves out of this mess, but alas, until their arrogance reduce and the lessons to be learnt are learnt, I hold my breath...
Believe me, I have lots of reasons to be very angry about, so refrain from making assumptions, mate
RACWA currently in 'Positive Control' mode!!
Recent proposals hopefully soon to be recognised for what they are, and the appropriate positive decisions hopefully to be made by the committee.
Think Positive.
I am!!
Cheers
Recent proposals hopefully soon to be recognised for what they are, and the appropriate positive decisions hopefully to be made by the committee.
Think Positive.
I am!!
Cheers
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Nirak,
Anyone can become angry, that is easy, but to be angry with the right person at the right time, and for the right purpose and in the right way, that is not within everyone's power and that is not easy.
I think you have been a little too angry for a little too long. Time to let it go my friend. For every minute you are angry you loose 60 seconds of happiness. Don't you think you have lost enough?
Anyone can become angry, that is easy, but to be angry with the right person at the right time, and for the right purpose and in the right way, that is not within everyone's power and that is not easy.
I think you have been a little too angry for a little too long. Time to let it go my friend. For every minute you are angry you loose 60 seconds of happiness. Don't you think you have lost enough?
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ChrisH:
You sound like one of those 'fast-track' students? If daddy is paying, will he buy you one of those "life" memberships?
Most of the contributors to this forum have been subscribing members for many years and we feel we have indeed been very badly let down by fellow pilots. We all hope that that never happens to you.
You sound like one of those 'fast-track' students? If daddy is paying, will he buy you one of those "life" memberships?
Most of the contributors to this forum have been subscribing members for many years and we feel we have indeed been very badly let down by fellow pilots. We all hope that that never happens to you.
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Quite correct Chris, and so I have never said anything more than that I am an "observer".
But after being under attack all day today, you know now that I am an "angry observer watching from a distance"
Ex FSO GRIFFO, Now that Racwa is under 'positive control" again, does that mean it is "going around" or is there just now somebody again to blame for the "controlled crash" ?
But after being under attack all day today, you know now that I am an "angry observer watching from a distance"
Ex FSO GRIFFO, Now that Racwa is under 'positive control" again, does that mean it is "going around" or is there just now somebody again to blame for the "controlled crash" ?
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Hey Guys, Nirak isn't a troll, look for yourselves at his past posts for the last 3 months. He hasn't posted one negative comment on RACWA, nor its Instructors or anyone.. It looks to me like he stumbled into this thread while looking to further his flying in WA, saw this thread and decided to look a bit further before he dumps his money somewhere. And hell, I would be doing the same, stumbling into this crap.
Have no idea why the moderators haven't locked this thread yet as most of the terms and conditions have been breached in this thread.
Not sure why Nirak is being singled out when malicious guys like WC are there.
BTW ChrisH123, loved your post, Spot on. I think you hit the nail on the head there
(with the exception of grouping Nirak with WC).
Have no idea why the moderators haven't locked this thread yet as most of the terms and conditions have been breached in this thread.
Not sure why Nirak is being singled out when malicious guys like WC are there.
BTW ChrisH123, loved your post, Spot on. I think you hit the nail on the head there
(with the exception of grouping Nirak with WC).
If it's directed at me I will say outright that I don't have a problem with Nirak or what he has said. I simply suggested a more accurate way to find out what's happening at the club is to go there and speak to people there. If there is a better way to get first hand info, I'll be buggered if I know what it is.
Hi 'Nirak',
Reur - 'Ex FSO GRIFFO, Now that Racwa is under 'positive control" again, does that mean it is "going around" or is there just now somebody again to blame for the "controlled crash" ?
I would humbly suggest that 'after a bumpy and somewhat 'erratic' approach, a 'safe' landing is assured....
Maybe not 'entirely ssssmmooth', but 'safe' - all the same...
Patience and confidence....wonderful virtues....
Cheers
Reur - 'Ex FSO GRIFFO, Now that Racwa is under 'positive control" again, does that mean it is "going around" or is there just now somebody again to blame for the "controlled crash" ?
I would humbly suggest that 'after a bumpy and somewhat 'erratic' approach, a 'safe' landing is assured....
Maybe not 'entirely ssssmmooth', but 'safe' - all the same...
Patience and confidence....wonderful virtues....
Cheers