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Old 29th Jun 2010, 12:16
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Cadet Pilot Progams

Hey everyone,

Well Im soon going to apply for Cadet Pilot Programs in Australia, they include

REX, Jetstar and Cathay Pacific...

All I want to know is what UAI would they prefer? Theres no detail on it.

Someone told me that REX want UAIs of like 90+ but why? Is it true? What for they're pilots not doctors. Can someone clear this up?

And if anyone else is a Cadet Pilot can you give me hints or help on how to pass the selection process and any help on Aptitude/Psycometric testing?

Thanks everyone.
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Old 29th Jun 2010, 12:21
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Universities Admission Index?
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Try again when you have your Bachelors' Degree

I think you will find that your application will sit at the bottom of the in-tray if you don't GO to the university and get a bachelor's degree, in either engineering or science.

If you want to make Captain on the heavies one day, a Masters in Engineering would be good.

Why? Because you're going to spend the next 40 years of your career studying stuff: they would like some evidence that you're good at it
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I think you will find that your application will sit at the bottom of the in-tray if you don't GO to the university and get a bachelor's degree, in either engineering or science.

If you want to make Captain on the heavies one day, a Masters in Engineering would be good.

Why? Because you're going to spend the next 40 years of your career studying stuff: they would like some evidence that you're good at it
If you're doing that you might as well fly part time or privately and earn money else where. Thats what you're going to end up doing to survive the next 40 years of your career.
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UAI is ATAR now btw, in NSW :P
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Old 29th Jun 2010, 22:31
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Get ready for how everyone will insipre your aviation dream!!
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Not sure why you would need a degree in engineering to fly a jet? They are like modern cars, you can look at the engine but please don't touch, computers control everything.

I would the fact that you had a good University entry score was proof that you can study and the rest will be observed during the cadet ship. Is this call for a degree a Pprune readers shift away from the all too common opinion of all you need to be a cadet is money?

Like it or not the cadetships are the way the AIRLINES want their applicants to go.

Good luck
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Old 29th Jun 2010, 23:01
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Someone told me that REX want UAIs of like 90+ but why? Is it true? What for they're pilots not doctors.
That cracked me up. Maybe you should try to get a job in Airline Management, perhaps the accountancy department
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Old 29th Jun 2010, 23:27
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Get ready for how everyone will insipre your aviation reality!!
There, fixed it for you.

One day you might have more to worry about than which iCrap app to download.
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The way of the future

Such topics pop up nowadays more than ever re cadet-ships etc. As I have said in the past 'the way of the future' like it or not.
The question that remains is is it a good thing for you,well only 'you' can answer that but being informed from others experiences can make that decision more applicable to ones self, hence ask away
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I have to agree with "EO"
I'd say that from us of a few years under our aviation belts believe you don't need a higher education to fly a plane (I'm a perfect Eg of that never even finished form 5!)even a modern day transport category jet what you do need though is the ability to adapt & learn new ways/things as well as being a good team player. The days of flying with an engineer, a full time navigator & whom else you could squeeze into the cockpit are long gone making flying a modern jet more a 'systems' manager.
Engineers have 'dumbed' down a lot of the way we used to fly with automation to cater for the lowest common denominator (ME).
Pretty much everything is done for you via computers etc now so until something ugly goes wrong ones skills are simply not needed beyond basic stuff. Back to that every perplexing question. Do you need a uni degree etc to do the above?
Somebody seems to think so & again,...............'the way of the future'
I guess today's bean counters want pilots to be savvy in all aspects of flying & that includes saving money for the Co.
I openly say good luck to those that follow behind me as a pilot for they know no different as to the way it was

Wmk2....................glad to have missed the new era that has flying just as a job & not an adventure as well (although it's still an adventure to the boy in me)
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brubin, you demonstrate a very compelling point - The Aviation Dream.

For the record, I will say again I'm agnostic when it comes to GA/Cadet/Military background.

Businessmen are only too happy to sell YOU, your dream. Unlike the GA & ex-Military pilots, you will feel no financial pain during your training.

For the GA pilot, they have to cough up their hard earned cash, week after week. They see exactly where their money goes. At any point, when the "Dream" isn't working for them, they take stock, look at others around the airfield and decide if it really what they want to do. They look at where their friends & colleges have gone, they know the T&C that they can expect as they make it through the industry. They can walk away at any point.

Military pilots get to see the lifestyle that they would lead if they make it through the training. They will only have a debt of time to serve, and given the subsidies on housing/ medical/pension will be remunerated quite well. The point is, this is all a known prior to making a long commitment.

For the cadet "sponsored" by a company all this is hidden, little up front, no weekly payments, don't worry about it. Why do you think Harvey Norman offer "Nothing to pay to 2014" ? - because people who feel pain immediately stop and make rational choices, they look very closely at the price they pay. Harvey Norman is trying to take away the pain to get the customer to buy something they probably can't afford.

And so to it is with these "credit schemes". No pain now, but later, once you are trapped by the debt burden to your employer you will understand. From what little information that j* post on their website, it will cost roughly $208,000 to get checked out as a line FO. This is about 75% more than you would paid your own way, feeling the pain.

I know you don't want to hear the reality, you want to extend the dream, but remember, that's all it is. The businessmen who design these schemes are selling "the dream", but are buying reality in the form a debt slave.

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Good posts... could someone please provide these in some sort of dot point, ideally - fast tracked.

If only I had the money to by an iPhone.

Ta

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Congrats, you just won tw@t of the week award.

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Old 30th Jun 2010, 02:14
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I've got to side with Breakfastbaritto here. You're not really getting a Cadetship with these people, more like a Cadebitship or a Creditship. The schemes offered are nothing like those offered to potential engineering students by traditional industry where the employer actually takes on the cost of training.
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Old 30th Jun 2010, 02:56
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"From what little information that j* post on their website, it will cost roughly $208,000 to get checked out as a line FO."

That is a huge amount of money to fork out just so you can end up stuck in the RHS of a shiny jet.

If anyone thinks that is a good deal, I can put you in touch with a bloke that sells "Amway"; you too can get rich quick.

Fools and their money............?
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Old 30th Jun 2010, 08:32
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I guess today's bean counters want pilots to be savvy in all aspects of flying & that includes saving money for the Co.
Possibly business related degrees are the way to go these days!
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