C207 lands short at Coffs
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Engine failures
Totally agree Fencehopper. Gees 60, thats getting up there. Maybe some of the new generation pilots should jump into some of the real ultralights and experience some real engine failures. Perhaps they might pay a bit more attention to where they are flying and think to themselves, WHAT IF THE FAN STOPS RIGHT NOW, WHERE WOULD I GO?
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100 litres of fuel plus?
So why didn't they have enough fuel to wear a 25 minute hold as you claim BCY???
Why did they have to descend if they had sufficient fuel?
One of the jumpers I know in the plane wanted to jump but wasn't allowed. Why?
More importantly, the first time the tower and other traffic in the air were made aware of any problems was when the 207 slammed into the ground. Why were NO calls made to inform anyone they were in trouble (forget the media reports, I know and have spoken to 4 people that were on the radio when the incident happened)??
Oh and those saying 3 aircraft in 3 years are missing the 2 blown tyres in 4 days in the 206 (was that call sign BCY?). As Phil said in JD's hangar, he was scared of running out of fuel so he bought it in hot.
So why didn't they have enough fuel to wear a 25 minute hold as you claim BCY???
Why did they have to descend if they had sufficient fuel?
One of the jumpers I know in the plane wanted to jump but wasn't allowed. Why?
More importantly, the first time the tower and other traffic in the air were made aware of any problems was when the 207 slammed into the ground. Why were NO calls made to inform anyone they were in trouble (forget the media reports, I know and have spoken to 4 people that were on the radio when the incident happened)??
Oh and those saying 3 aircraft in 3 years are missing the 2 blown tyres in 4 days in the 206 (was that call sign BCY?). As Phil said in JD's hangar, he was scared of running out of fuel so he bought it in hot.
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Low fuel ?
fresh engine ?
Drop clearance gets held up or denied by atc (coffs or brissy) and brings the jumpers down ?
Dodgy operator not paying pilots who sleep on the hangar floor ? (not sure who is the bigger @$$h0le, the operator or the pilot for working for nothing)
This has all the elements of GA dodgyness that need to be stamped out, the accident report should make a good read though.
fresh engine ?
Drop clearance gets held up or denied by atc (coffs or brissy) and brings the jumpers down ?
Dodgy operator not paying pilots who sleep on the hangar floor ? (not sure who is the bigger @$$h0le, the operator or the pilot for working for nothing)
This has all the elements of GA dodgyness that need to be stamped out, the accident report should make a good read though.
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why didn't they have enough fuel to wear a 25 minute hold
One of the jumpers I know in the plane wanted to jump but wasn't allowed. Why?
Not every parachuting operation is dodgey! not saying this one isnt , but im a bit tierd of this mind set that because they operate a bit closer to limits that it is an unsafe practice.
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You guys crack me up.........I make one cheeky silly remark and you all have to go one better
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"i can tell you there are not many jump planes flying around with a spare 25min of fuel, and nor are they required to do so."
but they are required to have a 45min reserve.
"Not every parachuting operation is dodgey!"
Completely agree. Sadly some are though, not cause they go close to the limits but because they break them.
but they are required to have a 45min reserve.
"Not every parachuting operation is dodgey!"
Completely agree. Sadly some are though, not cause they go close to the limits but because they break them.
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Could you be referring to CAAP 234-1 table 2 (page 7)?
http://casa.gov.au/wcmswr/_assets/ma.../ops/234_1.pdf
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Ah...the "Coffs Cowboys" have been caught with their pants down....again.
There are so many who should have never been GIVEN a license at Coffs.
They couldn't manage the fuel in their lawn mowers, let alone an aircraft.
There are so many who should have never been GIVEN a license at Coffs.
They couldn't manage the fuel in their lawn mowers, let alone an aircraft.
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"i can tell you there are not many jump planes flying around with a spare 25min of fuel, and nor are they required to do so."
but they are required to have a 45min reserve.
"Not every parachuting operation is dodgey!"
Completely agree. Sadly some are though, not cause they go close to the limits but because they break them.
but they are required to have a 45min reserve.
"Not every parachuting operation is dodgey!"
Completely agree. Sadly some are though, not cause they go close to the limits but because they break them.
Could you be referring to CAAP 234-1 table 2 (page 7)?
http://casa.gov.au/wcmswr/_assets/ma.../ops/234_1.pdf
Cheers
http://casa.gov.au/wcmswr/_assets/ma.../ops/234_1.pdf
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100 litres of fuel plus? Is what I have been told.
So why didn't they have enough fuel to wear a 25 minute hold as you claim BCY??? I didn't make this claim.
Why did they have to descend if they had sufficient fuel? Cause sitting in an aircraft without a door in winter is bloody cold.
One of the jumpers I know in the plane wanted to jump but wasn't allowed. Why? What only one, I would think they all wanted to jump. Perhaps they didn't have clearance!
More importantly, the first time the tower and other traffic in the air were made aware of any problems was when the 207 slammed into the ground. Why were NO calls made to inform anyone they were in trouble (forget the media reports, I know and have spoken to 4 people that were on the radio when the incident happened)?? Perhaps he didn't have time to make any calls. Besides what can the tower or anyone else on the radio do for that matter. Often precious time is wasted talking on the radio when they should be trying to either find a solution or somewhere to land (the recent Canley Vale accident comes to mind).
Oh and those saying 3 aircraft in 3 years are missing the 2 blown tyres in 4 days in the 206 (was that call sign BCY?). No, BCY has never had a blown tyre since I have owned it and as far as I know the 206 that was used a few months ago has never had one either. I think the said 207 has had some tyre issues though. As Phil said in JD's hangar, he was scared of running out of fuel so he bought it in hot. A pretty stupid comment to make if in fact it was made. If the pilot did say that, it just goes to show what the standard of commercial pilots are being produced lately.
So why didn't they have enough fuel to wear a 25 minute hold as you claim BCY??? I didn't make this claim.
Why did they have to descend if they had sufficient fuel? Cause sitting in an aircraft without a door in winter is bloody cold.
One of the jumpers I know in the plane wanted to jump but wasn't allowed. Why? What only one, I would think they all wanted to jump. Perhaps they didn't have clearance!
More importantly, the first time the tower and other traffic in the air were made aware of any problems was when the 207 slammed into the ground. Why were NO calls made to inform anyone they were in trouble (forget the media reports, I know and have spoken to 4 people that were on the radio when the incident happened)?? Perhaps he didn't have time to make any calls. Besides what can the tower or anyone else on the radio do for that matter. Often precious time is wasted talking on the radio when they should be trying to either find a solution or somewhere to land (the recent Canley Vale accident comes to mind).
Oh and those saying 3 aircraft in 3 years are missing the 2 blown tyres in 4 days in the 206 (was that call sign BCY?). No, BCY has never had a blown tyre since I have owned it and as far as I know the 206 that was used a few months ago has never had one either. I think the said 207 has had some tyre issues though. As Phil said in JD's hangar, he was scared of running out of fuel so he bought it in hot. A pretty stupid comment to make if in fact it was made. If the pilot did say that, it just goes to show what the standard of commercial pilots are being produced lately.
Brand-new commercial pilots are brand-new commercial pilots.
Irrespective of the operation, a new pilot needs to be supervised, controlled, nurtured, mentored if he/she is to live long enough to be an "experienced" pilot. In fact, it is the same for any inexperienced employee in any business.
...speaks volumes about the attitude of DZ owners and tandem masters towards the young pilots that they suck in, bleed white and discard every day in the APF 
Irrespective of the operation, a new pilot needs to be supervised, controlled, nurtured, mentored if he/she is to live long enough to be an "experienced" pilot. In fact, it is the same for any inexperienced employee in any business.
it just goes to show what the standard of commercial pilots are being produced lately.
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Yep, I cant find a reference to the aircraft running out of fuel, what was the flight time. Roughly.
But with 100L onboard, thats around 80-90min to dry tanks.
Also, according to the The Coffs Coast Advocate (yea, i know, journos) there was a report from one of the skydivers that "The aircraft made a noise....." around the time the engine quit.
Not sure what's happend, but lets not jump on the fuel bandwagon.
PS: Happy to be corrected as I only just skimmed the thread, but please be gentle.
But with 100L onboard, thats around 80-90min to dry tanks.
Also, according to the The Coffs Coast Advocate (yea, i know, journos) there was a report from one of the skydivers that "The aircraft made a noise....." around the time the engine quit.
Not sure what's happend, but lets not jump on the fuel bandwagon.
PS: Happy to be corrected as I only just skimmed the thread, but please be gentle.
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Also, according to the The Coffs Coast Advocate (yea, i know, journos) there was a report from one of the skydivers that "The aircraft made a noise....." around the time the engine quit.
That'll help
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206 crashes in South Grafton
Same company, same pilot and pretty much same type of plane:
Plane crash lands in paddock | Northern Rivers News | Local News in Northern Rivers | Clarence Valley Daily Examiner
coincidence?
Plane crash lands in paddock | Northern Rivers News | Local News in Northern Rivers | Clarence Valley Daily Examiner
coincidence?
