NAS E+ and AV

[peuce]

Actually he/she would have to because the regulator and employer says it is in line with the current regulations, up until it isn't, and the poor bastard doesn't have a choice.

No he doesn't ... in theory.

But my point is that there may be a time when, even though a practice may be 'legal' ... your personal opinion is that it's ... unsafe. That's when a real moral dilema kicks in.

• Do you acknowledge that your boss must know better than you ... and carry on?
• Do you admit to yourself that the boss has stuffed up, but that's someone else's problem and I have a family to feed?
• Do you try and change the bosses's mind ... and if that fails, say, well, I've done what I could ... and carry on?
• Do you take the moral high ground, bite the bullet and leave ... or, at least, refuse to take the particular actions.?

Tricky situation, tricky options ...

However, no matter how tricky, the options do exist.

So, my opinion is that I don't think we (anyone in any role) can morally hide behind the ... well, it's legal and my boss told me to do it defense when the proverbial hits the fan.... especially if we believe the actions to be dangerous/unsafe/whatever.

Whether my opinion is also valid in a legal arena, I don't know.

And, reiterating, I'm not necessarily saying that Avalon is one of those situations.

[Jabawocky]

I can see the ATC's concerned taking a conservative line, treating it all as Class D and .....well having an increased workload. All despite the fact Dick says this allows them to focus on the runway area.

I would if it was my ar$e on the line.

[Super Cecil]

So, my opinion is that I don't think we (anyone in any role) can morally hide behind the ... well, it's legal and my boss told me to do it defense when the proverbial hits the fan.... especially if we believe the actions to be dangerous/unsafe/whatever.

AND it's in print stating that, lawyers and duty of care come to mind.

[KittyKatKaper]

If 'duty of care' is the underlying legal standard, then as I see it there can only be only 2 levels of ATC service, ie
totally controlled (where ATC actually knows about, or can see all the traffic), and
totally uncontrolled for the GAFA.

[Jabawocky]

Sounds a lot like ScurvyDDog Space or Chuckspace...........dig back thru the threads I am sure they have written the rules for it before.

[OZBUSDRIVER]

Naaaahh...It's GriffoSpace

[OZBUSDRIVER]

As of Nov19 the world is right again....well as right as can be within the nas

AV has reverted to E over D including regular radio procedures. One must ask why this wasn't looked at 6 months ago instead of persisting with E+.

AIP SUP

Previous broadcast area requirements are no longer applicable.

Appols if I have dug this up again just got my internet back full time

[Frank Arouet]

AV has reverted to E over D

Is that like E over C? /and isn't that a good thing also?

Just asking.

[OZBUSDRIVER]

C over C would be better