WA mining bosses' flight missing
Green goblin. I was just about to say that although I fell for your sarcsm, I reckoned someone in Canberra would draw the same conclusion. Then I see just reported that Wilson Tuckey has already.
we used to separate the bosses between two aircraft.
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The reason given for them all being on the same aircraft;
It was against company policy for the entire executive to travel on the same plane.
Mr Jones said the group had planned to use two aircraft for the trip, including Mr Talbot's personal plane, but the landing strip at their destination could not accommodate his aircraft.
"So the board obviously made the judgment in the circumstances (to use) the aircraft they had available," Mr Jones said.
"It was their judgment to go ahead with the flight."
Mr Jones said the group had planned to use two aircraft for the trip, including Mr Talbot's personal plane, but the landing strip at their destination could not accommodate his aircraft.
"So the board obviously made the judgment in the circumstances (to use) the aircraft they had available," Mr Jones said.
"It was their judgment to go ahead with the flight."
Weeks until bodies extracted from Africa
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I'm with Stallie,
The flight dep at 11.45PM Local Time - according to Monday's 'West' and was due to land at dest at around 1AM.
The flight load could just as easily have been 'split' - obviously night flying was not an issue - and the aircraft done two, or even more if req'd, trips.
It was only a little over an hour's flight time...
Even back in the 'old days', with the client I was flying for, the business manager and the project manager never flew on the same aircraft - well not in my experience anyway.
Sad event.
The flight dep at 11.45PM Local Time - according to Monday's 'West' and was due to land at dest at around 1AM.
The flight load could just as easily have been 'split' - obviously night flying was not an issue - and the aircraft done two, or even more if req'd, trips.
It was only a little over an hour's flight time...
Even back in the 'old days', with the client I was flying for, the business manager and the project manager never flew on the same aircraft - well not in my experience anyway.
Sad event.
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It was against company policy for the entire executive to travel on the same plane.
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"It was their judgment to go ahead with the flight."
One can only wonder what level of specialist aviation guidance the Board may have had available in coming to that unfortunate decision.
I suppose that this will be a wake up call regarding corporate risk management for Boards in various areas of endeavour ?
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"It was their judgment to go ahead with the flight."
One can only wonder what level of specialist aviation guidance the Board may have had available in coming to that unfortunate decision.
I suppose that this will be a wake up call regarding corporate risk management for Boards in various areas of endeavour ?
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So was it a cost saving decision, a time saving decision, or a "it won't happen to us just this once" decision, group decision, or the boss's decision that they would all travel together on a strange aircraft with different crew to their own jet crew, to a remote strip? I take it they were all travelling together on the company jet to get to the departure point. Were the company's jet crew on the fatal flight too? Doesn't sound like it, so perhaps they can help the surviving company officials assess the reason if there was a breakdown in the stated company policy.
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It's clear PPruNe is not what it was, when probably THE most important issues regarding corporate governance and standards in regard to the biggest user (mining, oil and gas) of airline, and the aviation industry in the country since Lockhart River, Seaview and Monarch are relegated to GA Questions.
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Interesting comments by onetrack in the African Aviation 'missing aircraft (with Aussies)' thread posts 16 and 19 regarding the early morning fog and the diversion on track to view sites. The only other thread discussing it that I can see. I am interested in 'why' the aircraft went down. The weather at the time, and if there were any mechanical problems. The aircraft is operated locally here, and if there is something to be learned, then I hope it comes out. The fact that the passengers (The Board) broke their own rules regarding all flying together is a matter for their company to sort out with the public and their shareholders. They were entreprenaurs used to taking calculated risks. Lloyds of London have done that for a long time now. But in the actual operation of the aircraft on this flight, and the crash cause, is there something that pilots can learn ?
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That it is, but so were the gamechangers mentioned. There will be another added to this pantheon shortly, it happened well before the curent one which will be added to the list.
This is not about Billy the Kid in his 30,000 hour busted arse Chieftain, but then it is too.
To be brutally frank, it is possible, but not likely, that you will find the creme de la creme of experienced professional pilots in these parts. There is a thread running on this Forum somewhere alerting low hour pilots that there is work for them in an African country somewhere. No problems with that you have to get time somewhere, but at what cost to whom and under what conditions.
Problem is people have a problem telling the difference between big kids aviation as it is spoke and the rest.
The tragedy is, and there is no simple way for them to find out, they dont know what they dont know.
Appropriate supplemental lift was available from another country across the way, why wasn't it used.
There is never ever a good enough reason to break protocol.
Protocols are very hard won and rigourously and rationally derived, you break them at your mortal peril.
That it is, but so were the gamechangers mentioned. There will be another added to this pantheon shortly, it happened well before the curent one which will be added to the list.
This is not about Billy the Kid in his 30,000 hour busted arse Chieftain, but then it is too.
To be brutally frank, it is possible, but not likely, that you will find the creme de la creme of experienced professional pilots in these parts. There is a thread running on this Forum somewhere alerting low hour pilots that there is work for them in an African country somewhere. No problems with that you have to get time somewhere, but at what cost to whom and under what conditions.
Problem is people have a problem telling the difference between big kids aviation as it is spoke and the rest.
The tragedy is, and there is no simple way for them to find out, they dont know what they dont know.
Appropriate supplemental lift was available from another country across the way, why wasn't it used.
There is never ever a good enough reason to break protocol.
Protocols are very hard won and rigourously and rationally derived, you break them at your mortal peril.
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It would be easy to break protocol at the time.
You rock up to the airport, there's a half decent looking aircraft sitting there, the pilot is perhaps American or at least English speaking. The pilot isn't intending on dying that day and the aircraft did the trip many times before, so you certainly don't expect that YOU will die on the very next flight!
After all, aircraft fatal crashes always happen to "someone else..."
You rock up to the airport, there's a half decent looking aircraft sitting there, the pilot is perhaps American or at least English speaking. The pilot isn't intending on dying that day and the aircraft did the trip many times before, so you certainly don't expect that YOU will die on the very next flight!
After all, aircraft fatal crashes always happen to "someone else..."
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People travel together in groups all the time, but that is why the sensible managers would at least minimise the risk wherever possible for major institutions and national interest. Didn't our soccer team go to SA as a group? But the American President and his Vice-President wouldn't be on Air Force One at the same time. Just as well we never had a problem with our aircraft or crew when we were flying the Eye Surgery Team around the islands for their sight-saving clinics all those years ago, or the publicity and fallout would have been huge (for us then). Even the Pope and his entourage all came in on the same aircraft, though perhaps the most likely replacement wasn't on the aircraft with him at the time.
