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Spoiler walk down-like problem on those massive ailerons perhaps, appears on the video to loose that last 20 feet in the roll after the initial problem of descending through the knife edge. Hope the wowsers don't get on there high horse here.
Like Hemingway said motor racing, bull fights and mountain climbing are the the only true sports anything else is just kids games played by adults.
Like Hemingway said motor racing, bull fights and mountain climbing are the the only true sports anything else is just kids games played by adults.
ABC news is running the footage from the tail camera
Red Bull loses wings - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
Red Bull loses wings - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
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The tail footage is certainly the most interesting. Carefully watching the ailerons I see no input when the aircraft suddenly rolled from maybe 80 deg bank to in excess of 90. There is large shudder at the instant it rolls left.
To my eyes, he then inputs right aileron, however nothing happens until eventually it rolls flat at the point of impact?
Stall or structural?
To my eyes, he then inputs right aileron, however nothing happens until eventually it rolls flat at the point of impact?
Stall or structural?
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Watching that tail cam video you can see the wings flexing normally with the loading through the first couple of manoeuvres but there is an oscillatory buffeting type of flexing throughout the last one.
I don't know anything about the aeroplane type but in the types I've flown that would tend to indicate stalled or very close to stalled regime?
I don't know anything about the aeroplane type but in the types I've flown that would tend to indicate stalled or very close to stalled regime?
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masif, my information is that TVG became airborne within the Perth CTR without a clearance and subsequently entered R910 (RBAR restricted zone) also without a clearance.
I now have that from three sources. Do you have information to the contrary?
I now have that from three sources. Do you have information to the contrary?
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Red Bull aircraft crash in practice in Perth, AU - pilot ok
Watching earlier practice noticeable that the aircraft banned from using a temporary landing strip at Langley Park by the Swan River due wind conditions
Red Bull Air Race Plane Crashes Into Swan River
"Red Bull Air Race pilot Adilson Kindlemann has thanked his rescuers after crashing his plane into the Swan River. The 36-year-old Brazilian pilot was plucked from the river by emergency rescue crews and taken to Royal Perth Hospital, where he'll remain overnight in a stable condition after miraculously suffering only whiplash."
Red Bull Air Race Plane Crashes Into Swan River
"Red Bull Air Race pilot Adilson Kindlemann has thanked his rescuers after crashing his plane into the Swan River. The 36-year-old Brazilian pilot was plucked from the river by emergency rescue crews and taken to Royal Perth Hospital, where he'll remain overnight in a stable condition after miraculously suffering only whiplash."
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Footage from tail camera!
Red Bull loses wings - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
very lucky chap indeed, especially if only suffering whiplash injuries!
Red Bull loses wings - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)
very lucky chap indeed, especially if only suffering whiplash injuries!
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This has to be greater than 90 degrees AoB to the left .. probably about 110 degrees?
Rolling out .. seems to have quite a high nose attitude after the rollout.
Don't want to speculate whether it stalled or not; I'll leave that to planky.
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Rolling out .. seems to have quite a high nose attitude after the rollout.
Don't want to speculate whether it stalled or not; I'll leave that to planky.
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Well, at first, when I heard about it, I thought it was some sort of engine failure or fuel problem - but this looks alot more serious. Think he must be go off an buy a lottery ticket.
It looks to me like the left aileron is full down for a very long time with no response. Only at the last nano-second does the right aileron come full-up and the aircraft then rolls wings level before hitting the water.
Odd.
Odd.
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OK - I know I'm getting old, but I've watched the vid several times and CANNOT see any sign of 'a wing coming off' or him 'losing wings'??
I can see him making like an amphib (or, 'jus doin' a Sully'
)! What am I missing?
I can see him making like an amphib (or, 'jus doin' a Sully')! What am I missing?
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I'm thinking those things are quite powerful and can easily do a prolonged knife-edge so you'd think he could hit the go juice and fly out of almost anything however there wasn't many rpm up front at the very end by the sound of it.
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CANNOT see any sign of 'a wing coming off' or him 'losing wings'??
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Having looked at the slow-mo footage from the tail-mounted camera, you can see the buffet during the left turn as he 'G'-stalls it.
Case closed!
If he'd suffered an engine malfunction prior to entering the chicane, I highly doubt he'd then have the balls to perform three steep turns when he could trade speed for height and look for someplace handy to put it down at his leisure - like an orphanage. Or an old folks' home.
Case closed!
If he'd suffered an engine malfunction prior to entering the chicane, I highly doubt he'd then have the balls to perform three steep turns when he could trade speed for height and look for someplace handy to put it down at his leisure - like an orphanage. Or an old folks' home.