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He survived therefore he must have done a good job!!
Luck may prove to be a bigger player than skill in this case.
Good to see he's survived, regardless.
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Did it stall?
BTW: I was filming up 'til moments before that, but popped inside at the wrong time!
(NB: From memory, in the last round some of the guys were complaining about the too-low-flying rule... the officials now have some ammo)
....................hey 'rc' don't bring me in on this, 2 is always better than 1 of course but even with 4 engines you can crash at that almost crazy low alt!:-)
One witness said on the news 2nite that he saw the plane go beyond the vertical in a turn at very low Alt, if so then any up elevator would plant the guy straight into H20 in a blink, probably just what happened
Now had that have been an Airbus he'd be lucky to get past 67 deg's
then again 'Sully' is the only one to have done likewise & lived!
Great shots there 'Ultra'
The TAF would have read, standing water
Wmk2
One witness said on the news 2nite that he saw the plane go beyond the vertical in a turn at very low Alt, if so then any up elevator would plant the guy straight into H20 in a blink, probably just what happened
Now had that have been an Airbus he'd be lucky to get past 67 deg's then again 'Sully' is the only one to have done likewise & lived!Great shots there 'Ultra'
The TAF would have read, standing water
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A close shave for the Brazilian 
Sorry, couldn't help myself. Good to hear Adilson is in a reasonable condition. Hopefully this wont bring out the 'ban it' mentality from those who know nothing about the sport
Sorry, couldn't help myself. Good to hear Adilson is in a reasonable condition. Hopefully this wont bring out the 'ban it' mentality from those who know nothing about the sport
Perhaps a new manouvre .......a fully executed Brazilian "Swan" dive !!!!
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GG and XXX, oh you Guys,,,, HA HA HA well done. no one seriously hurt and a light hearted attitude to this event makes this thread fun.
WMk2, you are way, way out of planky's league for inane statements though your aversion to SEA is well documented. Also you can take a joke (like this one), another failing of planky's. It is almost peaceful without him, maybe remoak can move into this vacancy with his expert analysis.
You are correct that the input that a normal pilot may apply (pull back to make the houses get smaller) would pitch him 'down' if he was beyond 90 aob, but to these guys that is an ulikely mistake to make as they are well familiar with what most would consider 'unusual' corrective inputs to recover from such attitudes. Pushing would be instinctive to him in these circumstances. Having said that, we are all infallible and even I have demonstrated a similar landing techique to this although at least I was over dry land at the time, of course it wouldn't have burnt so much if I had done it into a river.
Maybe he forgot he was in a land plane and was trying to land on the river? (Upside down or wingtip first shows an even lesser understanding of the correct method, even for water)
At least he is OK and has prolly chatted up a few nursies by now I would think, those latinos don't waste much time.
Don't need a TAF to see that the RH was 100%
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WOW, just watched that vid and take it back about the USD bit, he looks wings level RSU at impact. he seemed to demonstrate the effects of an inappropriate energy vector at work. Every replay accompanied by 'oooh sheet!' till i turned the vol down
WMk2, you are way, way out of planky's league for inane statements though your aversion to SEA is well documented. Also you can take a joke (like this one), another failing of planky's. It is almost peaceful without him, maybe remoak can move into this vacancy with his expert analysis.
You are correct that the input that a normal pilot may apply (pull back to make the houses get smaller) would pitch him 'down' if he was beyond 90 aob, but to these guys that is an ulikely mistake to make as they are well familiar with what most would consider 'unusual' corrective inputs to recover from such attitudes. Pushing would be instinctive to him in these circumstances. Having said that, we are all infallible and even I have demonstrated a similar landing techique to this although at least I was over dry land at the time, of course it wouldn't have burnt so much if I had done it into a river.
Maybe he forgot he was in a land plane and was trying to land on the river? (Upside down or wingtip first shows an even lesser understanding of the correct method, even for water)
At least he is OK and has prolly chatted up a few nursies by now I would think, those latinos don't waste much time.
Don't need a TAF to see that the RH was 100%
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WOW, just watched that vid and take it back about the USD bit, he looks wings level RSU at impact. he seemed to demonstrate the effects of an inappropriate energy vector at work. Every replay accompanied by 'oooh sheet!' till i turned the vol down
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You're a brave man suggesting any cause at this early stage - could have been anything - control failure, a stall, an engine problem, a health problem - I actually thought the rpm surge at the start of the run sounded a little odd.
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You'd have to see other aircraft at the same location to confirm if the rpm surge is common for that part of the course, seems out place however it was practice after all. Pretty lucky he didn't dip a wing in first in the wet stuff as things would have been different for sure.
The news just showed footage from the tail camera - impressive. You'd almost describe the initial impact as "graceful."
The news just showed footage from the tail camera - impressive. You'd almost describe the initial impact as "graceful."
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The news just showed footage from the tail camera - impressive. You'd almost describe the initial impact as "graceful."
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HardnFast YouTube - Adilson Kindleman crash-landing in the Swan River - Red Bull Air Race Perth 2010
braddles provided this further up the page.
braddles provided this further up the page.
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according to comments by the poster of the video, after the engine had the overrev, it cut out, if the engine failed, then he would have lost an immense amount of energy in the high G turn, and only had enough energy left to roll level and ditch. or the overspeed could have been a CSU governor failing?
'HD" I can handle a joke buddy
Now 'HD' from the Vid it does show Mr 'Braz' did momentarily go beyond the vertical on that last L/H turn but quickly corrected his boo boo (sharp reflexes for sure) bringing the plane to the vertical & perhaps a point where it no longer flew in a controlled state having rapidly bled off speed. I've been flying toy planes for more years than I care to remember & flown such stunts as this & lost a few toy planes as well (mainly due dumb thumbs!) . Once in a knife edge state with the wings no longer providing the impetus for lift some top rudder is needed to bring the fuse into a positive AofA to help reduce Mr gravity from winning so to me ( & this is an OPINION GUYS) it looks at though he has lost a lot of energy during those rapid 90deg turns & ended up with little energy left after that last rapid save from beyond the vertical. Notice the somewhat alarming nose down state during the beyond vertical maneuver? The flight trajectory was already pointing down & at the low Alt this guy was good to get it right way up prior to impact anyway! Another thought & again another OPINION perhaps he flew thru his own 'jet wash'. ( I should use the words disturbed air)& lost balanced lift?? There definitely was some loss of lift there in that tail vid accompanied by a loss of lateral control of some sort. I know that the Cap 21 in model form was a pig if pushed hard thru a vertical turn with lots of G's the outer wing (one skyward) would stall & the lower wing would still be flying & bingo the toy plane would go skyward with a flip off the top. Obviously not the case here as skyward to Mr 'Braz' was more 'waterward'
And of course it could be a simple matter of the 'noise' stopped & he had little choice but to 'Sullyize' the plane!
Anyway he's alive that's the main thing. Perhaps something can be learnt from this stunt.
And no it's not speculation it's just an OPINION we can all have one
Wmk2
Now 'HD' from the Vid it does show Mr 'Braz' did momentarily go beyond the vertical on that last L/H turn but quickly corrected his boo boo (sharp reflexes for sure) bringing the plane to the vertical & perhaps a point where it no longer flew in a controlled state having rapidly bled off speed. I've been flying toy planes for more years than I care to remember & flown such stunts as this & lost a few toy planes as well (mainly due dumb thumbs!) . Once in a knife edge state with the wings no longer providing the impetus for lift some top rudder is needed to bring the fuse into a positive AofA to help reduce Mr gravity from winning so to me ( & this is an OPINION GUYS) it looks at though he has lost a lot of energy during those rapid 90deg turns & ended up with little energy left after that last rapid save from beyond the vertical. Notice the somewhat alarming nose down state during the beyond vertical maneuver? The flight trajectory was already pointing down & at the low Alt this guy was good to get it right way up prior to impact anyway! Another thought & again another OPINION perhaps he flew thru his own 'jet wash'. ( I should use the words disturbed air)& lost balanced lift?? There definitely was some loss of lift there in that tail vid accompanied by a loss of lateral control of some sort. I know that the Cap 21 in model form was a pig if pushed hard thru a vertical turn with lots of G's the outer wing (one skyward) would stall & the lower wing would still be flying & bingo the toy plane would go skyward with a flip off the top. Obviously not the case here as skyward to Mr 'Braz' was more 'waterward'
And of course it could be a simple matter of the 'noise' stopped & he had little choice but to 'Sullyize' the plane!
Anyway he's alive that's the main thing. Perhaps something can be learnt from this stunt.
And no it's not speculation it's just an OPINION we can all have one
Wmk2
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