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Anyone know what the wage is for the B200 jobs Pelair are advertising on the AFAP website? I expect they are gaging interest for the upcoming VIC AIR AM contract.
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I can't answer the question, but since they are looking for pilots that are already qualified and experienced specialist professionals trained at someone else's expense (as per min requirements), it would have to be at least on par with the best paying airomed ops... surely.
Half the time the Min hrs req'd for a particular base are contractual requirements.
The hrs they ask are for good reasons. It's not so much about TT etc (obviously you need something that's effective time wise) it's more what previous experience has been had along the way to get those hrs. Someone whom has 10000 hrs with say 1500 Multi might have spent most of his/her large TT in the R/H seat of a puddle jumper teaching or even 2 crew RPT (no disrespect intended there guys) where decision making is mostly structured/expected etc, that means little as far as what the 'RUFDUS' want/need. It's all about raw flying abilities under pressure single pilot in adverse weather conditions. The biggest filter/hurdle now in the SE section as far as the application process goes is the B200 Sim that is used as a tool to sort out those that either have it or not. We have a good management team who know what they are looking for.
Look 'most' of the time the tasks are routine, a basic pilot could do the job at a pinch all going well. Nice weather no urgency & yr on yr way much like a boring RPT flight BUT when it's night time, you got dragged out of bed at 2am with 20 mins to get going (on yr own pilot wise btw no help what so ever) winter, more ice than at the poles are on yr wings, the rain/hail is deafening, the turbulence is akin to riding a bucking wild bull, the cloud is on or about the minima & the NDB is the only thing you can trust amongst the hills!!! (now you can see why I think SE ops is mad!!!!) That's why they (RUFDUS) want the very best they can secure pilot wise!
Those that are lucky enough to get a gig with the RUFDUS as part of their flying career will always look back at that time & say that was some of the best & most challenging flying I have ever done as they sit up there 10000 ft above days gone by in their new shinny jet sipping coffee chatting to the hosties.........
As I have said here before it's the best job I'll ever have I reckon but you never know what lays above!
Wmk2
The hrs they ask are for good reasons. It's not so much about TT etc (obviously you need something that's effective time wise) it's more what previous experience has been had along the way to get those hrs. Someone whom has 10000 hrs with say 1500 Multi might have spent most of his/her large TT in the R/H seat of a puddle jumper teaching or even 2 crew RPT (no disrespect intended there guys) where decision making is mostly structured/expected etc, that means little as far as what the 'RUFDUS' want/need. It's all about raw flying abilities under pressure single pilot in adverse weather conditions. The biggest filter/hurdle now in the SE section as far as the application process goes is the B200 Sim that is used as a tool to sort out those that either have it or not. We have a good management team who know what they are looking for.
Look 'most' of the time the tasks are routine, a basic pilot could do the job at a pinch all going well. Nice weather no urgency & yr on yr way much like a boring RPT flight BUT when it's night time, you got dragged out of bed at 2am with 20 mins to get going (on yr own pilot wise btw no help what so ever) winter, more ice than at the poles are on yr wings, the rain/hail is deafening, the turbulence is akin to riding a bucking wild bull, the cloud is on or about the minima & the NDB is the only thing you can trust amongst the hills!!! (now you can see why I think SE ops is mad!!!!) That's why they (RUFDUS) want the very best they can secure pilot wise!
Those that are lucky enough to get a gig with the RUFDUS as part of their flying career will always look back at that time & say that was some of the best & most challenging flying I have ever done as they sit up there 10000 ft above days gone by in their new shinny jet sipping coffee chatting to the hosties.........
As I have said here before it's the best job I'll ever have I reckon but you never know what lays above!
Wmk2
"you got dragged out of bed at 2am with 20 mins to get going (on yr own pilot wise btw no help what so ever) winter, more ice than at the poles are on yr wings, the rain/hail is deafening, the turbulence is akin to riding a bucking wild bull, the cloud is on or about the minima & the NDB is the only thing you can trust amongst the hills!!!"
Wally
If your flight description is accurate why were you flying?
Using the Qld motto " can do but can do safely " would seem to encourage you to make a command decision on safety and not go.
Wally
If your flight description is accurate why were you flying?
Using the Qld motto " can do but can do safely " would seem to encourage you to make a command decision on safety and not go.
'megle2' there isn't one thing there amongst my description that is 'illegal' (the ice description you often don't find out 'till yr in it!) unless of course fatigue is an issue then that's up to the individual at the time.
We are tasked at times where the end results are exactly the above BUT unless it's legal & we have a couple of 'outs' we sleep like babies
Don't forget at the end of the day there's no point in killing half a dozen to save one but on the other hand lives are at risk either way you see it in our type of Ops.It's all about risks, aviation is full of them but calculated risks.
There have been many a time where I/we have knocked back a task due wx etc & that can play heavily on ones mind especially if the end result turns out tragic, we are after all only human, even we EMS pilots have feelings & are at times put in a position few would understand
I'm not blowing sunshine up my ass or any one elses for that matter I tell it simple how it is I know a lot in here will bag the above that's fine Aussie are great at bagging others, a trait some think is smart!
Wmk2
We are tasked at times where the end results are exactly the above BUT unless it's legal & we have a couple of 'outs' we sleep like babies
Don't forget at the end of the day there's no point in killing half a dozen to save one but on the other hand lives are at risk either way you see it in our type of Ops.It's all about risks, aviation is full of them but calculated risks.
There have been many a time where I/we have knocked back a task due wx etc & that can play heavily on ones mind especially if the end result turns out tragic, we are after all only human, even we EMS pilots have feelings & are at times put in a position few would understand
I'm not blowing sunshine up my ass or any one elses for that matter I tell it simple how it is
I know a lot in here will bag the above that's fine Aussie are great at bagging others, a trait some think is smart!Wmk2
*cough* tool ^^ (the two chevrons indicating 2 posters up, for clarification)
j3
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Last edited by j3pipercub; 16th Apr 2010 at 03:43. Reason: clarification
betaman, just for the record, I was referring to megle2, not Wally. I have the utmost respect for the guys and now it seems girls of the RFDS.
Never for a second proclaimed myself as a legend, just think that megles comments were ridiculous.
Never for a second proclaimed myself as a legend, just think that megles comments were ridiculous.
"TQ" I agree Rnav's are great I was just painting a picture of perhaps a worst case scenario. They (Rnav's) almost none better but funny enough an NDB where it's fairly close in to the AD (some are distant with a Viz segment) is sometimes more desirable especially if yr coming from the opposite side to the start of an Rnav & going via that route adds time & therefore dangers, it's a balance at the time I guess as to what's best. Rnav's starts a long way out & as we have seen (recent Rnav crash up Nth) isn't always the best as situational awareness can catch out even very experienced pilots (Benalla was a classic Eg. I knew Kerry very well the PIC he would have been the last person I would have thought to come a croppa!)
What's the main reason an App procedure is there for? To get visual no more so I choose the best for the situation & often Rnavs win out but geez the old ADF always points to the station great for dummies:-)
Wmk2
What's the main reason an App procedure is there for? To get visual no more so I choose the best for the situation & often Rnavs win out but geez the old ADF always points to the station great for dummies:-)
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Ok J3 I will take your word for it, however if you look at it in context it appears to be directed at Wally.
There is nothing to stop you from editing your post to reflect what what you actually mean.
There is nothing to stop you from editing your post to reflect what what you actually mean.
Back to the top, thread drift.
Anyone know what the wage is for the B200 jobs Pelair are advertising on the AFAP website? I expect they are gaging interest for the upcoming VIC AIR AM contract.
SN
Also what med contracts have Pelair got (Apart from their jet operation) and also possible bases.
Anyone know what the wage is for the B200 jobs Pelair are advertising on the AFAP website? I expect they are gaging interest for the upcoming VIC AIR AM contract.
SN
Also what med contracts have Pelair got (Apart from their jet operation) and also possible bases.
j3,
As an EMS pilot myself, I don't find megle's comment ridiculous at all. I find yours probably the most ridiculous.
I'm not saying that what Wally has described is unsafe or outside of the law. However, there are things that need to be weighed out. If the patient isn't critically ill and the weather is certainly on the more undesirable side (known), then why venture out when it can be better timed for better conditions?
It's all about risk management. Whilst it's not illegal, is it as safe as daytime CAVOK? No. The moment you move away from near perfectly safe, the holes in the Swiss cheese move. The weather might be utter crap, the workload high, who know's when a couple of other things will make the holes line up and then you've got a King Air in the side of a hill, for someone who could have waited until daylight at least.
And Wally, not having a dig at you, as a colleague I know you wouldn't take unnessecary risks,. It's in our work culture.
morno
As an EMS pilot myself, I don't find megle's comment ridiculous at all. I find yours probably the most ridiculous.
I'm not saying that what Wally has described is unsafe or outside of the law. However, there are things that need to be weighed out. If the patient isn't critically ill and the weather is certainly on the more undesirable side (known), then why venture out when it can be better timed for better conditions?
It's all about risk management. Whilst it's not illegal, is it as safe as daytime CAVOK? No. The moment you move away from near perfectly safe, the holes in the Swiss cheese move. The weather might be utter crap, the workload high, who know's when a couple of other things will make the holes line up and then you've got a King Air in the side of a hill, for someone who could have waited until daylight at least.
And Wally, not having a dig at you, as a colleague I know you wouldn't take unnessecary risks,
. It's in our work culture.morno
Thank you Morno.
And Wal does add "I was just painting a picture of perhaps a worst case scenario"
Well maybe the case when the best risk management falls short.
And Wal does add "I was just painting a picture of perhaps a worst case scenario"
Well maybe the case when the best risk management falls short.
All good guys it's up to the individual at the time to make the best decision (whether/weather to go) for the best outcome
I've been out of a night time where it was rapidly turning to poo so we pulled out & went home, that's always up to the pilot, no one can tell a pilot to continue on in the face of bad weather.
Even the most cautious pilot can fly straight into a hill, remember humans run the show not the machines
'Duck" nobody seems to know the wages for PelAir drivers but I doubt they will be attractive with what the job entails.
Wmk2 now goes flying in CAVOK........boring!
I've been out of a night time where it was rapidly turning to poo so we pulled out & went home, that's always up to the pilot, no one can tell a pilot to continue on in the face of bad weather.
Even the most cautious pilot can fly straight into a hill, remember humans run the show not the machines
'Duck" nobody seems to know the wages for PelAir drivers but I doubt they will be attractive with what the job entails.
Wmk2 now goes flying in CAVOK........boring!
Thanks Wally, that's kind of what I figured. What contracts do they have and possible bases, does anyone know this yet ? Or is all that still smoke and mirrors as well ?
Morno,
I have enormous respect for EMS drivers, the workload you guys are under is quite enormous. However, to use another sections motto, and then to infer that a pilot was in an unsafe situation is insulting.
Why was my post ridiculous? Happy to continue this via PM. Sorry again for the thread drift.
j3
I have enormous respect for EMS drivers, the workload you guys are under is quite enormous. However, to use another sections motto, and then to infer that a pilot was in an unsafe situation is insulting.
Why was my post ridiculous? Happy to continue this via PM. Sorry again for the thread drift.
j3
