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Old 17th Mar 2010, 07:12
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Im thinking of heading down to moruya on the motorbike weather permitting on Sunday. will try and have a chat with Graham while I am down there
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Old 17th Mar 2010, 14:20
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SW3, as someone who also flies a broad spectrum of aircraft I am not disagreeing with you at all. However, in light of the rules i would now tend to agree with others in that RAAus hours don't count towards the CPL. Why they don't count is beyond me and unreasonable as they can be counted towards an ATPL. As you say, a 3 axis aeroplane is still the same regardless of whether it has letters or numbers on the side of it.

At the end of the day though it does not worry me, but until the regs become clearer I would advise others contemplating RAAus flying to build up hours for the CPL not to do it. However, for the recreational/PPL type flyer... then fill yer boots!
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Old 17th Mar 2010, 21:01
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Didn't Brindabella hire a new CFI in the 2nd half of last year? Where's he going?

...what about all the other instructors they were supposedly putting on?
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Old 17th Mar 2010, 21:28
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Didn't Brindabella hire a new CFI in the 2nd half of last year? Where's he going?...

what about all the other instructors they were supposedly putting on?
Yes they did. I feel sorry for both Graham (the CFI) and the instructors that came with him over the last 6 months. They are a great bunch of people.

Some of them were still trying to find accomodation here! I guess they don't need to now
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Old 17th Mar 2010, 21:33
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This is a trend of things to come in GA.

Flight Training is slowly becoming unprofitable for even the best run aviation businesses.

Brindabella obviously have a good handle on their business and have come to the conclusion they have to close their flight school.

Unfortunately, GA in Capital Cities will become too expensive.

The choice for many operators will be to schedule a controlled close or move to a country airport where costs can be better managed.
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Old 17th Mar 2010, 22:33
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Unfortunately, GA in Capital Cities will become too expensive.

The choice for many operators will be to schedule a controlled close or move to a country airport where costs can be better managed.
I think so too. Soon, if you want to learn to fly you won't be living in one of the capitals. Then, if you want a job for the first how ever many years, you won't be living in a capital either!
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Old 17th Mar 2010, 23:12
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CFI

...Malcolm P I thought?
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Old 17th Mar 2010, 23:58
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Yes the CFI is Malcolm P.
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Old 18th Mar 2010, 03:36
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I think so too. Soon, if you want to learn to fly you won't be living in one of the capitals.
Looks like how it's heading ... the great unwashed didn't give a sh1t when the GA airports were sold to developers, and GA eviscerated in the process. They'll start paying attention when Sydney has 6M people in it and every new dwelling is a 5 or 6 story cookie cutter apartment block. But it'll be too late by then.

The political parties are far more interested in donations from developers than they are in the preservation and promotion of GA - an industry that make lots of sense in such a large and sparsely-populated continent.

So now back to the notion of living closer to where one learns to fly. How the heck is Student Pilot Bloggs supposed to find the cash to live, pay for flying, rent, insure the car, eat, etc in a country town that has few jobs for the young folks who already live there? Can't all work at the pub or the servo.

Idiocy, it's all idiocy. This country has huge distances and atrocious roads and governments at every level do their best to cripple GA.
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Old 18th Mar 2010, 06:30
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Hmm .. with my inlaws living in Nelligen, I might just have to check Moruya out!
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Old 18th Mar 2010, 12:07
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10 years ago there were 3 or 4 flight training schools at Canberra, now there are none. It sucks this has had to happen. Hopefully there can be some expansion of schools at PoloFlat and Goulburn because now there is nowhere nearby to do a CPL.
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Old 19th Mar 2010, 05:56
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The government policies are ruining GA. The country will pay in a few years when there is no one to fly their main jet routes.

Privatisation of airports - costs quadrupled at Canberra the first year of privatisation and continued to increase since. Other capitals are similar

Add costs of Security

I know Deniliquin council took over the DLQ aiport and have shortened the runway rather than spend on maintenence - it no longer supports larger turboprops.... its probably just a sample of other rural airports.

Airservices - user pays - this cost is MASSIVE and was introduced about 10 years ago

Government does not recognise regional airlines are Australias infastructure. No support - no subsidies to service remote destinations (except QLD)

Fee Help - akin to the government guarenteeing the banks and smaller finance companies are stranded..... CPL students flock to university affiliated flight schools and leave the other schools bare.

Airlines continue to take take take and do not give back in training ( one major airline in particular trains no one...)
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Old 20th Mar 2010, 04:57
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So where now?

Now that Brindabella flight training is gone... I'm looking at alternatives to finish off my CPL.

Is it worth checking out Goulburn or Polo Flat?
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Old 20th Mar 2010, 06:45
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I fly at Goulburn when I get the chance, which is not a lot lately due finances. The areodrome is ok and the club is pretty good value.

As I said at the start of the thread, the aerodrome has recently been brought off the Goulburn Council by an interest that has big commercial ideas for the site.

What that means long term for the aerodrome from a GA perspective has yet to be communicated.

Polo flat seems OK, although the infrastructure could do with a bit of money thrown at it. I only visited for a chat so could not comment further.

Either way your in for a drive! which is not too bad as you get to brief/debrief yourself for your flight and ponder all things aeronautical.
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Old 20th Mar 2010, 07:02
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Graham at the Moruya Aero Club is well worth the trip. Great instructor, with plenty of experience. Don't be fooled by the 'club' thing - he means business.
plus 2 on that i know his daughter....
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Old 20th Mar 2010, 10:48
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Is there anywhere in Canberra now that does private hire for a C172 or PA28?
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Old 20th Mar 2010, 11:41
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Old 21st Mar 2010, 00:17
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Maybe they might want to think about offer flight training.... They would be the only ones in ACT to do so, and I envisage that they would have strong student demand?
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Old 21st Mar 2010, 06:07
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Maybe they might want to think about offer flight training....
The Aero Club used to, and they had an AOC up until 1996/'97. As everyone knows, getting an AOC isn't easy/cheap. And a not-for-profit organisation has to be careful spending the money it has (or doesn't have) as depending on the org structure, it belongs to the members.

Either way, there might actually be some movement with the Aero Club. If not offering training, then doing something to at least facilitate flight training at YSCB through another operator.

Stay tuned.
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Old 21st Mar 2010, 07:43
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Maybe they might want to think about offer flight training.... They would be the only ones in ACT to do so, and I envisage that they would have strong student demand?
At the moment, Brindabella is the only flying school in Canberra - and if they don't have enough demand from students, given that they already have all the infrastructure in place including the AOC, then there is no way there will be enough demand for the Aero Club to start up a flying school.

Give it a few years, then perhaps. I'd hate for there to be no pilot training in Canberra ever again. I did my PPL through Brindabella while living in Canberra, and that was back when there was a choice of operators.
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