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Hello all.
After months of researching different flight schools and getting information about the pros and cons of different schools throughout NZ. I have decided to enrol at Massey Uni.
I was wandering if any current or past students at Massey could shed some light on how to do "well" on the interview and the simulator assessments. My english is not my first language and would like some advice or maybe, what questions you were asked?
Any tips would be greatly appreciated
Thank you
Regards
After months of researching different flight schools and getting information about the pros and cons of different schools throughout NZ. I have decided to enrol at Massey Uni.
I was wandering if any current or past students at Massey could shed some light on how to do "well" on the interview and the simulator assessments. My english is not my first language and would like some advice or maybe, what questions you were asked?
Any tips would be greatly appreciated
Thank you
Regards
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It has been nearly 20 years since I "applied" to Massey, so things may have changed a lot.
Back then it was an IQ type test involving mainly spacial orientation and pattern recognition questions such as showing three shapes and asking which shape would go next in the pattern. It was a timed test and you weren't expected to be able to finish it.
There was also a psychometric type test where they ask you a set of questions requiring a yes/no answer. The questions all cover similar topics and some questions are asked more than once in different ways. It is normal to have different answers to similar questions depending on the wording of the question!
Then there was a computer based coordination test, (perhaps similar to the "wombat" test?)
I had no preparation at all and did very well.
But you know what I realised after I went through all that ****? They want your money and as long as you're not a complete numpty you'll do just fine and they will "accept" your application. In my opinion they are trying to fool you into thinking that you need to meet certain criteria to be good enough for them, the reality is that they want your business and you need to make sure they meet criteria that makes them suitable for you.
And no, before anyone says so, this is not sour grapes, I just realised that there were cheaper ways of achieving the same or better flight training and when it came to choosing who to give my money to, I went with a Dunedin based flight school, Mainland Air. Sure I didn't get a degree but an aviation degree is worthless anyway, you're much better off having a non-aviation degree to use as a backup plan, and I spent literally half as much to get a CPL as I would've at Massey.
All that aside, my only advice to you is to make sure that you are getting what is best for you. It may be that Massey is it, in which case that's great, but something else might suit you better.
Edit: I see that you've done your homework so you're probably not interested in changing your mind or anything, but just be absolutely sure. As I say, a non-aviation degree is more valuable than an aviation degree, and training at a flight school that does some charter work may give you more contacts in the industry than what you get at a big university type place.
Whatever you decide, good luck!
It'll be a lot of fun however you do it.
Back then it was an IQ type test involving mainly spacial orientation and pattern recognition questions such as showing three shapes and asking which shape would go next in the pattern. It was a timed test and you weren't expected to be able to finish it.
There was also a psychometric type test where they ask you a set of questions requiring a yes/no answer. The questions all cover similar topics and some questions are asked more than once in different ways. It is normal to have different answers to similar questions depending on the wording of the question!
Then there was a computer based coordination test, (perhaps similar to the "wombat" test?)
I had no preparation at all and did very well.
But you know what I realised after I went through all that ****? They want your money and as long as you're not a complete numpty you'll do just fine and they will "accept" your application. In my opinion they are trying to fool you into thinking that you need to meet certain criteria to be good enough for them, the reality is that they want your business and you need to make sure they meet criteria that makes them suitable for you.
And no, before anyone says so, this is not sour grapes, I just realised that there were cheaper ways of achieving the same or better flight training and when it came to choosing who to give my money to, I went with a Dunedin based flight school, Mainland Air. Sure I didn't get a degree but an aviation degree is worthless anyway, you're much better off having a non-aviation degree to use as a backup plan, and I spent literally half as much to get a CPL as I would've at Massey.
All that aside, my only advice to you is to make sure that you are getting what is best for you. It may be that Massey is it, in which case that's great, but something else might suit you better.
Edit: I see that you've done your homework so you're probably not interested in changing your mind or anything, but just be absolutely sure. As I say, a non-aviation degree is more valuable than an aviation degree, and training at a flight school that does some charter work may give you more contacts in the industry than what you get at a big university type place.
Whatever you decide, good luck!
It'll be a lot of fun however you do it.
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What is it with Massey and NZ wannabe's, it's like happy meals and 3 year olds, everybody knows they're bad for you but it's all they wanna eat
Well don't say I didnt warn you sunshine ... don't come back on here in 4 years and cry cos you got a $120,000 loan and zero job prospects
Well don't say I didnt warn you sunshine ... don't come back on here in 4 years and cry cos you got a $120,000 loan and zero job prospects
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I agree with previous. and I have heard 1st hand from the Human Factor 's lecture at the time during my final year study about pilot recruitments. We asked him this question: "What were you looking for during those writing, interview, sim flight, WAMBAT thing?"
His answer was: "looking for a student to go through the course as soon as possible." We were all shocked. We thought we were the best of the best
A pitty they were and probably still not looking for a future 747 captain. After the 3 years they dont want to know you, thats if you get through the B crap some professors teach you. And after all the money gone, I am not managing an airline or flying for one, also not even close to design a wing for the 787.
I am sure MSY058 will tell you a different story, because he went through there and worked there, and I doubt they cared enough to give him a flying job at the end anyway. But he loves MSY thats for sure, dont know why.
P.S the flying staff are great, NAV, performance, tech, all these flying related subjects are OWESOME. Its the professors with "aviation interests" you have to watch out for.
His answer was: "looking for a student to go through the course as soon as possible." We were all shocked. We thought we were the best of the best
A pitty they were and probably still not looking for a future 747 captain. After the 3 years they dont want to know you, thats if you get through the B crap some professors teach you. And after all the money gone, I am not managing an airline or flying for one, also not even close to design a wing for the 787.
I am sure MSY058 will tell you a different story, because he went through there and worked there, and I doubt they cared enough to give him a flying job at the end anyway. But he loves MSY thats for sure, dont know why.
P.S the flying staff are great, NAV, performance, tech, all these flying related subjects are OWESOME. Its the professors with "aviation interests" you have to watch out for.
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You have to be "selected" to go and get a huge student loan to go there?
Why not save yourself half that debt and go somewhere else? Im going to let all you newbies in on a big secret.....its not where you train, its YOUR attitude while your under training, during subsequent job interviews and job hunting. If you have the right attitude and BY FAR the most important trait....desire, then you will be succesful in your career, and that applies to any career.
A few pointers to try and help....get your training done as soon as you can afford it, no point faffing around with extra papers when there are jobs to be had. You can always go and do those papers later if you really feel the need. A GA company where you will start prefers hours over credits. Get that Instument Rating ASAP, before an instructors rating. You don't have to keep it current, but if you get a chance at a job that requires one, its a lot easier to get up to speed than spend 2 months getting the initial rating, no company can or will wait that long. Be diligant in your studies, you might think all that theory is a waste...until you get to the airline level interviews. Finish your ATPL exams when you can, don't keep putting them off, they take longer than you think, especially when your working.
This industry is cyclical like few others, right now, there is a big downturn obviously, but when things take off, (no pun intended), there is always a flow on effect that gets bigger as it passes down thru the industry, all the way to the GA level. No one knows when the upturn will happen, but do you want to be sitting in a classroom writing papers, or flying and catching the wave when it happens?
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Why not save yourself half that debt and go somewhere else? Im going to let all you newbies in on a big secret.....its not where you train, its YOUR attitude while your under training, during subsequent job interviews and job hunting. If you have the right attitude and BY FAR the most important trait....desire, then you will be succesful in your career, and that applies to any career. A few pointers to try and help....get your training done as soon as you can afford it, no point faffing around with extra papers when there are jobs to be had. You can always go and do those papers later if you really feel the need. A GA company where you will start prefers hours over credits. Get that Instument Rating ASAP, before an instructors rating. You don't have to keep it current, but if you get a chance at a job that requires one, its a lot easier to get up to speed than spend 2 months getting the initial rating, no company can or will wait that long. Be diligant in your studies, you might think all that theory is a waste...until you get to the airline level interviews. Finish your ATPL exams when you can, don't keep putting them off, they take longer than you think, especially when your working.
This industry is cyclical like few others, right now, there is a big downturn obviously, but when things take off, (no pun intended), there is always a flow on effect that gets bigger as it passes down thru the industry, all the way to the GA level. No one knows when the upturn will happen, but do you want to be sitting in a classroom writing papers, or flying and catching the wave when it happens?
Nosey
If you're keen to run through a whole heap of tests just to be able to learn to fly, why don't you try the Royal New Zealand Air Forc... Flying School..
That way if you get through all the interviews, psych and co ordination tests, you'll be PAID to learn to fly.. Plus you may get into a Jet airliner faster than through Massey.
Here in the Antipodes , the way about 90% of pilots get into the jets is through hard work, time in GA, regional airline.. Your aeroclub will be a better option to learn to fly than Massey - all you need is the cash, or if you don't have the cash, then the inclination to work in a bar/service station/restuarant/supermarket to earn the money to do it!
That way if you get through all the interviews, psych and co ordination tests, you'll be PAID to learn to fly.. Plus you may get into a Jet airliner faster than through Massey.
Here in the Antipodes , the way about 90% of pilots get into the jets is through hard work, time in GA, regional airline.. Your aeroclub will be a better option to learn to fly than Massey - all you need is the cash, or if you don't have the cash, then the inclination to work in a bar/service station/restuarant/supermarket to earn the money to do it!
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I agree with previous. and I have heard 1st hand from the Human Factor 's lecture at the time during my final year study about pilot recruitments. We asked him this question: "What were you looking for during those writing, interview, sim flight, WAMBAT thing?"
His answer was: "looking for a student to go through the course as soon as possible." We were all shocked. We thought we were the best of the best
His answer was: "looking for a student to go through the course as soon as possible." We were all shocked. We thought we were the best of the best
That's completely made up. The Human Factors lecturer is a female for starters and is almost completely separate to the school of aviation so would have absolutely nothing to do with selection. Don't make things up.
The fact is they get more applicants then spaces available on each intake and must select a majority of students more suited to Masseys' environment.
You continue with what you think is best for you yepp87. As you've heard there are different ways of making a career out of aviation and I'm sure you will have picked up that everyone thinks their way is the best. As long as you've done your research and have considered the alternatives then you'll know what your getting into. All I can say is to make sure you behave and conduct yourself in the way you want others to see you, including would be future bosses. At the end of the day if they're looking for instructors or people to employ and you've been at the top of your class the whole time, acting professional and always there to go the extra mile then you're in with a shot.
Also, don't believe everything you hear/read.
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"That's completely made up. The Human Factors lecturer is a female for starters and is almost completely separate to the school of aviation so would have absolutely nothing to do with selection. Don't make things up"
Bravo,thats exactly the attitude comes out of the school, and quote your words, she is almost completely separate to the school of aviation, then why the hell was she teaching me for?
Oh, thats right, she left half way through, then another PHD took over using her stuff, and he was the one told the whole class about his recruitement concept. Then he left as well, which is why you cant find those people on the staff website.
But you are right with one thing, let the 3 year olds buy whatever they want to buy, happy meals with toys, and after eating it, you got the toy, then what, thats right, the mum has nothing left to drive you home.
Bravo,thats exactly the attitude comes out of the school, and quote your words, she is almost completely separate to the school of aviation, then why the hell was she teaching me for?
Oh, thats right, she left half way through, then another PHD took over using her stuff, and he was the one told the whole class about his recruitement concept. Then he left as well, which is why you cant find those people on the staff website.
But you are right with one thing, let the 3 year olds buy whatever they want to buy, happy meals with toys, and after eating it, you got the toy, then what, thats right, the mum has nothing left to drive you home.
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sorry, nearly forgot, if you fail the whole process, and they dont take you on, it doesnt really matter, because if you are still keen, they will give you a start 6 monthes later. I have seen 3 examples around my time.
But the main PR lady has changed, and from what I heard, she is just as nice as the last one
But the main PR lady has changed, and from what I heard, she is just as nice as the last one
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Massey selection requirements - Stage 2
Discussion so far has been on the selection process to enter Massey flying school. Does anyone now know what the selection process was for students to be selected for the internships or the first entry level airline positions? The South Asia and Far East forum has a current thread on the SilkAir MI185 tragedy involving a Massey graduate and what the selection processes were.
