Paying for ICUS
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Paying for ICUS
I noticed on the AFAP website a particular company is offering Pilots to pay for ICUS in their PA31s 
$120 per hour day or night. They should be paying Pilots $120 per hour to fly a PA31 for them.
The race to the bottom continues.
Don't people understand that you get the required minima to fly a particular aircraft with an operator when you do your line training/ICUS? A good operator will spend 50 hours doing ICUS with the right Pilot for the job to get them up to insurance/contractual minima.
If this continues and is accepted by our industry, the right seat in an airliner will be soon for sale with a price tag on 500 hours P2 time in a 737 to get a crack at the middle eastern carriers.
$120 per hour day or night. They should be paying Pilots $120 per hour to fly a PA31 for them.
The race to the bottom continues.
Don't people understand that you get the required minima to fly a particular aircraft with an operator when you do your line training/ICUS? A good operator will spend 50 hours doing ICUS with the right Pilot for the job to get them up to insurance/contractual minima.
If this continues and is accepted by our industry, the right seat in an airliner will be soon for sale with a price tag on 500 hours P2 time in a 737 to get a crack at the middle eastern carriers.
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I WAS in the throws of joining the union for precisely this reason....the greater good for all in the long term.
On reading that advertisement I threw my application form in the bin, what an utter disgrace AFAP......shame. What hope do we have?
On reading that advertisement I threw my application form in the bin, what an utter disgrace AFAP......shame. What hope do we have?
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It isn't at all possible to make a new, more powerful union, is it?
How I see it is, that most pilots see AFAP doing nothing, therefore won't join, so the union is not going to get any stronger. Is it time for a new union?
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How I see it is, that most pilots see AFAP doing nothing, therefore won't join, so the union is not going to get any stronger. Is it time for a new union?
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For a union/association/affiliation/league to work people have to stick together, just reading these thread alone that's never going to happen. While ever you have feeder mobs crewing with cadets/trainees and paying dearly for it, the practice is going all the way to the top boys, accept it.
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JetAOK said
It is a chuckle, mummy and daddy usually paid for their training too 
This is hilarious.
Tell me, how many of chest thumpers on this site have bought themselves a A320 / E170, E190, DHC-8, B777 or B737 endorsement?
Tell me, how many of chest thumpers on this site have bought themselves a A320 / E170, E190, DHC-8, B777 or B737 endorsement?
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Arnold,
Perhaps I am the stupid one, though I am under no delusions that my actions will change anything.
At this point in time, I simply lack the confidence in such an organisation to achieve anything either. Granted I know very little about the AFAP, and will continue to delve deeper....though this advertisement set alarm bells ringing. I sincerely hope upon further investigation my opinion is altered.
However as you said, the organisation is a reflection/representation of it's members, this advertisement does not reflect my values one iota.
Perhaps I am the stupid one, though I am under no delusions that my actions will change anything.
At this point in time, I simply lack the confidence in such an organisation to achieve anything either. Granted I know very little about the AFAP, and will continue to delve deeper....though this advertisement set alarm bells ringing. I sincerely hope upon further investigation my opinion is altered.
However as you said, the organisation is a reflection/representation of it's members, this advertisement does not reflect my values one iota.
Is there a possibility that people are actually going to pay money to possibly go and spot greenpeace for the Japanese?
Sad, sad world
Sad, sad world
Hey GG I agree with your sentiment re paying for experience and jobs, but I think you might have got the wrong end of the stick here.
I happen to know that this IS one of the employers that does give whatever ICUS is needed to the right applicants. (I was once one of them)
Those who do instrument ratings there also get as much ICUS as they need (okay, within reason) free of charge.
They don't just send you with anyone. The ones giving the ICUS all have formal training with an external ATO for approval to fly/supervise from the right.
Instead, I would be blaming all the employers out there that want pilots with 10/50/100 on type, forcing young pilots that want the job to get experience elsewhere, and the same even experienced pilots that just happen to not have time on that particular type. This company is not one of them!
Personally though, I don't see why people pay for ICUS to get a job with those outfits that refuse invest in their staff's training themselves. It doesn't say much for the company. I guess this is what you were trying to say, GG?
I happen to know that this IS one of the employers that does give whatever ICUS is needed to the right applicants. (I was once one of them)
Those who do instrument ratings there also get as much ICUS as they need (okay, within reason) free of charge.
They don't just send you with anyone. The ones giving the ICUS all have formal training with an external ATO for approval to fly/supervise from the right.
Instead, I would be blaming all the employers out there that want pilots with 10/50/100 on type, forcing young pilots that want the job to get experience elsewhere, and the same even experienced pilots that just happen to not have time on that particular type. This company is not one of them!
Personally though, I don't see why people pay for ICUS to get a job with those outfits that refuse invest in their staff's training themselves. It doesn't say much for the company. I guess this is what you were trying to say, GG?
I happen to know that this IS one of the employers that does give whatever ICUS is needed to the right applicants. (I was once one of them)
They don't just send you with anyone. The ones giving the ICUS all have formal training with an external ATO for approval to fly/supervise from the right.
morno
