Opportunity with start-up in Hawaii - NZ company
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OK - yeah, I didn't notice that the bond money is NZD and not USD. Though given the slide of the USD lately it's still a lot of money.
Also, the NZD20K is refundable after 12 months only if you are fully qualified to start off with. But this is the curious part for me - if you are fully qualified to start off with, then there is no need to pay for the training?!? I could understand if there is no bond for qualified pilots (ie., on type) and the bond is payable (but refundable) to non-qualified pilots.
Either way, I intend to follow through with this and will ask many questions in the interview. Will also post here more information that I find out (if I find out). Having been burned in business before, I intend to be very prudent!
Also, the NZD20K is refundable after 12 months only if you are fully qualified to start off with. But this is the curious part for me - if you are fully qualified to start off with, then there is no need to pay for the training?!? I could understand if there is no bond for qualified pilots (ie., on type) and the bond is payable (but refundable) to non-qualified pilots.
Either way, I intend to follow through with this and will ask many questions in the interview. Will also post here more information that I find out (if I find out). Having been burned in business before, I intend to be very prudent!
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I just don't understand the whole training side of it. While of course it may be perfectly above board, surely you could just post an ad "Seeking SEIFR experienced pilots for PA-31 job in Hawaii" and you'd have a flood of applicants. I know if I'd apply.
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I could swear the ad required 5000 for airfares and visa, and only if you are pre qualified do you get your 20K back after 12months, so money upfront if selected is required.
Where does it say it will be 2 crew, how do you know that? You seem to be very positive on this. Do you have some association with this deal?
Your money is clearly being used to be injected into the company to raise capital, as well as making you stay, if it was seriously -only- to prevent you from leaving then why not take out a loan in your name, they make the payments on your behalf, and if you leave early then you have to continue paying it yourself.
If this start up company goes belly up, do you really think you will get your money back?? -above all else that is a serious issue
Where does it say it will be 2 crew, how do you know that? You seem to be very positive on this. Do you have some association with this deal?
Your money is clearly being used to be injected into the company to raise capital, as well as making you stay, if it was seriously -only- to prevent you from leaving then why not take out a loan in your name, they make the payments on your behalf, and if you leave early then you have to continue paying it yourself.
If this start up company goes belly up, do you really think you will get your money back?? -above all else that is a serious issue
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I wouldn't touch this deal with a 10 foot pole. Even if its legit its a rip off. Does anyone happen to know the kiwi involved? Wtf would you pay 20,000 for a PA-31 endorsement?
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I applied to the Seek ad, but on being told of 20K upfront, my first thought was a Nigerian scam, who would be so stupid as to risk that kind of money.
I would be very interested to see if after your 5k is put up if you even get to Hawaii. However the company is real, just no substance to the aircraft.
You know so much why don't you fill the gaps for everyone?
Ahh ok, so they ARE US registered planes.
So when the application is made for the work Visas for the NZ pilots, o and that includes the pilots that have no training yet, on what grounds can they do the job that a US citizen/pilot cannot??
Great, go burn your 25K, and tell us about your flight hours when it happens.
With 'all your hours' you would not have a need to pay 25K to fly a Navajo!
OMG.They can't even get $ back out of Hanover, what makes you so special?
Everyone else; is this where I say I have been wound up?!
I applied to the Seek ad, but on being told of 20K upfront, my first thought was a Nigerian scam, who would be so stupid as to risk that kind of money.
I would be very interested to see if after your 5k is put up if you even get to Hawaii. However the company is real, just no substance to the aircraft.
You know so much why don't you fill the gaps for everyone?
I just did a simply search on the FAA website on part 121,141 and 135 regs.Two crew for low capacity rpt ops..In the USA they are big on safety and two crew ops. Very different from Oz and NZ.
So when the application is made for the work Visas for the NZ pilots, o and that includes the pilots that have no training yet, on what grounds can they do the job that a US citizen/pilot cannot??
No I am not part of the deal but I have family in the know. Also I am qualified and looking for some fun. (I have all my hours).
With 'all your hours' you would not have a need to pay 25K to fly a Navajo!
To secure the bond is easy and it is least of my worries. To put it simply "No security on our behalf, No Hawaii" and I will report it to the NZ authorites through a local law firm that I know of.
Too easy.
Everyone else; is this where I say I have been wound up?!
HH - regardless of how long he spent in the NT, if Tinpis wasn't born there, he will never be considered a Territorian!
To add to another post earlier:
Beware of Kiwis in the NT
Beware of Kiwis...
To add to another post earlier:
Beware of Kiwis in the NT
Beware of Kiwis...
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Being born there is not a requirement for being a 'territorian'...
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Some facts to consider.
FAA Part 135 requires 1200 total time for PIC's.
FAA Part 135 SIC is not required for Navajo operations. It is required if conducted under Part 121 (scheduled pax ops)
FAA does not have or require an 'endorsement' or 'type rating' for a Navajo or any non turbo-jet aircraft less than 5700kg.
FAA Part 135 operators are required to train all new hire pilots to the company's specific FAA approved SOP's regardless of previous experience on type.
FAA does not recognize high and low capacity RPT. FAA segregates operations by type (scheduled, non scheduled/frieght etc) and not the size of the aircraft.
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FAA Part 135 requires 1200 total time for PIC's.
FAA Part 135 SIC is not required for Navajo operations. It is required if conducted under Part 121 (scheduled pax ops)
FAA does not have or require an 'endorsement' or 'type rating' for a Navajo or any non turbo-jet aircraft less than 5700kg.
FAA Part 135 operators are required to train all new hire pilots to the company's specific FAA approved SOP's regardless of previous experience on type.
FAA does not recognize high and low capacity RPT. FAA segregates operations by type (scheduled, non scheduled/frieght etc) and not the size of the aircraft.
MJ
HH - I know that! The thing is that I spent many years there and was always told that to be a Territorian, I had to be born there.
Generally, this came from one of those with very little to boast about...
Which gave a bad name to the others...
Anyway, my main point was the advice relevant to this thread:
Beware Kiwis in the NT
Beware Kiwis
Been burnt before, going to work hard not to let that happen again! IMHO, the job in Hawaii sounds dodgy - would be interesting to pursue if one had the time and money to blow, but I would be prepared for tears in the long run.
Generally, this came from one of those with very little to boast about...
Which gave a bad name to the others...
Anyway, my main point was the advice relevant to this thread:
Beware Kiwis in the NT
Beware Kiwis
Been burnt before, going to work hard not to let that happen again! IMHO, the job in Hawaii sounds dodgy - would be interesting to pursue if one had the time and money to blow, but I would be prepared for tears in the long run.
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Danger Mr Robinson !!! Volcano.
Having flown in hawaii quite a bit.....Behind every clouds silver lining is a volcano.
You couldn't pay me enough to sit in the back seat with a fresh commercial pilot at the pointy end. Tropical storms every arvo, volcano style LSA and no instrument experience.... Not a good idea if your hoping for a lasting company with minimal fatalities.
You couldn't pay me enough to sit in the back seat with a fresh commercial pilot at the pointy end. Tropical storms every arvo, volcano style LSA and no instrument experience.... Not a good idea if your hoping for a lasting company with minimal fatalities.
The US airlines still have hundreds - if not thousands - of qualified pilots on furlough, with plenty more waiting for their first hour-building job. So how is this guy proposing to set up working visas for the dreaded aliens?
If he is running an inter-island service, which larger airline is hosting his reservations system, and has it been paid for yet? Without an alliance and a reservation system, no commuter air service will survive more than the time it takes for the first fuel account arrive in the mail.
Unless you are planning a Hawaiian holiday anyway, save your money and leave this scam to the locals to sort out.
A fool and his money are soon parted.
If he is running an inter-island service, which larger airline is hosting his reservations system, and has it been paid for yet? Without an alliance and a reservation system, no commuter air service will survive more than the time it takes for the first fuel account arrive in the mail.
Unless you are planning a Hawaiian holiday anyway, save your money and leave this scam to the locals to sort out.
A fool and his money are soon parted.
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In my more cynical moments, I do wonder how many of the naysayers and doom merchants are desperately sending off their CVs whilst trying to discourage anyone else from applying... 
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Hahahaha... maybe we are... maybe we are.
I remember though that my father worked in the states for some time. He has a PhD, and an employer willing to pay the thousands needed to get a visa.
I don't want to jump to anything... and I don't want to say too much... but from reading about this guy, and his "experience"... well...
I remember though that my father worked in the states for some time. He has a PhD, and an employer willing to pay the thousands needed to get a visa.
I don't want to jump to anything... and I don't want to say too much... but from reading about this guy, and his "experience"... well...
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Yes it all looks a little naive to say the least. Much cheaper to employ some locals, much cheaper to run N-reg aircraft too.
I have a friend who is just heading off to the USA to work (he's a musician), it cost USD3500.00 for the visa application process via an attorney.
Hey, you never know, the guy might be an idealist/enthusiast who can make it work. Not sure I'd bet that much money on it though.
I have a friend who is just heading off to the USA to work (he's a musician), it cost USD3500.00 for the visa application process via an attorney.
Hey, you never know, the guy might be an idealist/enthusiast who can make it work. Not sure I'd bet that much money on it though.
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Doing a search for Kiwi Projects Ltd (Company offering these positions) reveals the director Mark Taylor has experience with companies going into receivership. Although was back in 2004 .....
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Receivership: Receivers at The Building Depot, RetailX share trading halted
Company: The Building Depot Ltd
Directors: Mark Taylor
Receivership: 8 September
Receivers: Rod Pardington & Grant Jarrold (Deloitte)
Directors� other main interests:Receivers were called in to The Building Depot on Wednesday 8 September but the NZX called a halt to trading in shares of its management company, RetailX Ltd, only on Thursday.
Mr Taylor bought the Building Depot chain of hardware outlets from Fletcher Building Ltd in 2003. Fletcher Building Ltd bought the business from Whangaparaoa businessman Wendell Phillips. RetailX operates the Stirling Sports chain, The Building Depot and stores under the Toyworld brand.
Mr Taylor is a director of Colmer Financial Services Ltd, E-prepaid Ltd, Franchise Investments Ltd, Kiwi Management Ltd, Kiwi Projects Ltd, Media Partners Ltd, Mega Sports Ltd, Metro Grand Insurance Ltd, Molly Taylors Ltd, Queensgate Holdings Ltd, RetailX Ltd, Retail Services Ltd, Stirling Sports Franchises Ltd, Taylor�s Financial Services Ltd, The PC Depot Ltd, Toyhouse Ltd and 4 Stirling Sports franchise companies at Hastings, Napier, New Plymouth & Whangaparaoa. His father, Colin Taylor, is a director of Stirling Sports Franchises Ltd"
Source: Auckland and New Zealand Property - Bob Dey Publishing
Here's hoping it is legit and he has better luck with this venture and doesnt screw over his unsuspecting pilot's...
I would be careful about handing over any cash without some sort of security of being able to get it back if this venture goes belly up.
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Receivership: Receivers at The Building Depot, RetailX share trading halted
Company: The Building Depot Ltd
Directors: Mark Taylor
Receivership: 8 September
Receivers: Rod Pardington & Grant Jarrold (Deloitte)
Directors� other main interests:Receivers were called in to The Building Depot on Wednesday 8 September but the NZX called a halt to trading in shares of its management company, RetailX Ltd, only on Thursday.
Mr Taylor bought the Building Depot chain of hardware outlets from Fletcher Building Ltd in 2003. Fletcher Building Ltd bought the business from Whangaparaoa businessman Wendell Phillips. RetailX operates the Stirling Sports chain, The Building Depot and stores under the Toyworld brand.
Mr Taylor is a director of Colmer Financial Services Ltd, E-prepaid Ltd, Franchise Investments Ltd, Kiwi Management Ltd, Kiwi Projects Ltd, Media Partners Ltd, Mega Sports Ltd, Metro Grand Insurance Ltd, Molly Taylors Ltd, Queensgate Holdings Ltd, RetailX Ltd, Retail Services Ltd, Stirling Sports Franchises Ltd, Taylor�s Financial Services Ltd, The PC Depot Ltd, Toyhouse Ltd and 4 Stirling Sports franchise companies at Hastings, Napier, New Plymouth & Whangaparaoa. His father, Colin Taylor, is a director of Stirling Sports Franchises Ltd"
Source: Auckland and New Zealand Property - Bob Dey Publishing
Here's hoping it is legit and he has better luck with this venture and doesnt screw over his unsuspecting pilot's...
I would be careful about handing over any cash without some sort of security of being able to get it back if this venture goes belly up.