Lost logbook
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Lost logbook
It seems the day has come where my logbook has had enough and walked out on me. Seems to have been misplaced in a recent cleanup at my parents place and I can't find it anywhere.
Anyone had a similar experience and know what to do in a situation like this? I have a copy of all my hours in an electronic logbook (excel spreadsheet) that I would update straight after my hard copy logbook after every flight.
Is it a simple case of copying the hours from the electronic logbook to a new hard copy? CASA website doesn't have any information. What would happen to the little stickers and signatures that were in the hardcopy?
Cheers
Anyone had a similar experience and know what to do in a situation like this? I have a copy of all my hours in an electronic logbook (excel spreadsheet) that I would update straight after my hard copy logbook after every flight.
Is it a simple case of copying the hours from the electronic logbook to a new hard copy? CASA website doesn't have any information. What would happen to the little stickers and signatures that were in the hardcopy?
Cheers
You'll need to send in a Statutory Declaration advising them of the loss of the logbook.
The sticky labels should all match up to entries on your license as well, so you won't be disadvantaged by lost ratings, etc.
The sticky labels should all match up to entries on your license as well, so you won't be disadvantaged by lost ratings, etc.
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I had this convo yesterday and it had happened to plenty of people. However sometimes they seem to conveniently go missing. I hope you don't empty an entire pen if you try writing a new one up.
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Lost mine fairly early on in the piece so only 'lost' a couple of hundred hours or so (actually, flight bag was stolen in a row of cars broken into outside one of the promient flight schools in that wondefully honest place southwest of Sydney.)
CASA were quite happy to 'give' me all of the min times taken to gain the various licences/ratings but not much else. They said I could fill in stat dec and place in front of the new log book but not sure what value that has.
I now put my digital camera on 'document' and keep a digital copy separately - very quick and easy way to back-up paper records.
CASA were quite happy to 'give' me all of the min times taken to gain the various licences/ratings but not much else. They said I could fill in stat dec and place in front of the new log book but not sure what value that has.
I now put my digital camera on 'document' and keep a digital copy separately - very quick and easy way to back-up paper records.
Talk to CASA. Your total hours are given at each medical.
Your last license/rating will most likely be the hours that can be recovered/verified by CASA. Anything after that you will have to chase up yourself (trip sheets etc.)
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When did your DAME last check your logbook?
You sign off on your Medical form that all contained in it is true and accurate information.
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This may shed some light?
Maybe you should print a copy of the web page and stick it at the front as an introduction should it be queried in the field.
Maybe you should print a copy of the web page and stick it at the front as an introduction should it be queried in the field.
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You sign off on your Medical form that all contained in it is true and accurate information.
(People who fudge hours should burn in hell.)An ATO/FOI certifying these hours having actually seen a logbook would provide a much more believable proof in the eyes of CASA, wouldn't you agree?
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........provide a much more believable proof in the eyes of CASA
Your medical records, and the cumulative hours you have stated are correct on those records, are on file forever. It is impossible to "fudge" another 400 hours between the Jan 2003 medical and Jan 2004 medical in your new logbook because your total hours for the end of those years are already on file.
Seems logical to me.
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If you are employed, then your employer probably has anything from the last page to the last six months of your log book from when you started, as well as your ratings/endorsements stickers. Get those copies, then use your flight and duty times to corroborate the flight time since.
Or just print out your electronic logbook and pay $25 for a copy of your licence to verify your licence/ratings.
Or just print out your electronic logbook and pay $25 for a copy of your licence to verify your licence/ratings.
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It's totally legal these days to only have an electronic logbook although most people still have the paper logbooks. I believe CASA require you to be able to print a bound copy out if requested. In regard to the stickers and any logbook stamps they can be inserted on the print outs.
I'm currently in the process of entering all my hours into an electronic logbook,it's a lot of work when you have a lot of hours but in the end it will be really easy to keep a track of hours on types etc,really good for job applications and upgrades. If you keep a couple of backups in seperate places,you will never lose the data.
If I was starting out,I'd use a paper and electronic logbook.
I'm currently in the process of entering all my hours into an electronic logbook,it's a lot of work when you have a lot of hours but in the end it will be really easy to keep a track of hours on types etc,really good for job applications and upgrades. If you keep a couple of backups in seperate places,you will never lose the data.
If I was starting out,I'd use a paper and electronic logbook.
Your medical records, and the cumulative hours you have stated are correct on those records, are on file forever. It is impossible to "fudge" another 400 hours between the Jan 2003 medical and Jan 2004 medical in your new logbook because your total hours for the end of those years are already on file.
It's not CASA you are trying convince, it's your prospective employer.
http://www.pprune.org/dg-p-general-a...k-forgery.html
So your argument is still that the pilot stating their own time at their medical is more believable than an ATO certifying your logbook at a licence/rating test? Really.....
Whispering "T" Jet
So if I quote, say, 400 hrs TT at the 2009 medical, only actually fly 200 over the next eleven months, then decide to quote 1100 hrs TT at my 2010 medical, ..................
Stay on track.
My point was it is not impossible, as you stated, to rort the system in this way and that an ATO/FOI who has actually seen your logbook would be more believeable than your word in the eyes of CASA.
Save the back and forth.
My next post will have the CASA position on this issue for everyone.
My point was it is not impossible, as you stated, to rort the system in this way and that an ATO/FOI who has actually seen your logbook would be more believeable than your word in the eyes of CASA.
Save the back and forth.
My next post will have the CASA position on this issue for everyone.
Whispering "T" Jet
This is the CASA position on this issue for everyone.
There is no requirement under the current Civil Aviation Regulations (CAR 5.51/53) to "prove" the hours written in your log book are genuine.
However, there is a disclaimer:
"Falsification of a log book is a criminal offence;"
Have a good day MIHC.
There is no requirement under the current Civil Aviation Regulations (CAR 5.51/53) to "prove" the hours written in your log book are genuine.
However, there is a disclaimer:
"Falsification of a log book is a criminal offence;"
Have a good day MIHC.
WTF does the requirement to keep a logbook have to do with verifying lost hours?
Have you a ruling that actually relates to the topic?
Well we are actually both wrong.
As Clearedtoreenter has said, CASA will only credit the hours required to gain the ratings and endorsements you hold. Unless you can track those hours from the trip sheets/flying schools where those those hours were gained, you're pretty well up the creek. This is the position quoted by a CLARC manager.
As for the stickylabels, CASA transfers those to your licence, so You shouldn't need to recover those. (All the ATO's I know keep copies of the forms and their old sticky books as well.)
Duh!
I sorta have stated that opinion right from the start, so let's not try slander to win an argument, eh?
And a good day to you as well, sir!
Have you a ruling that actually relates to the topic?
Well we are actually both wrong.
As Clearedtoreenter has said, CASA will only credit the hours required to gain the ratings and endorsements you hold. Unless you can track those hours from the trip sheets/flying schools where those those hours were gained, you're pretty well up the creek. This is the position quoted by a CLARC manager.
As for the stickylabels, CASA transfers those to your licence, so You shouldn't need to recover those. (All the ATO's I know keep copies of the forms and their old sticky books as well.)
"Falsification of a log book is a criminal offence;"
I sorta have stated that opinion right from the start, so let's not try slander to win an argument, eh?
And a good day to you as well, sir!
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May seem a little over to the top, but I copy each completed page of my log book and have it certified as an insurance. Having a lawyer for a wife helps with this process though!
Whispering "T" Jet
Well we are actually both wrong.
I don't think so
..................verifying lost hours?
Have you a ruling that actually relates to the topic?
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