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15 seconds into the video footage on the SMH site (taken from the whaling ship) you can clearly see a line being trailed behind the Ady Gil.
It would be consistent with past tactics if the Adi Gil was trying to drag a line across the bow of the Shonan Maru 2 in an attempt to foul the propellor or rudder.
The Ady Gil training a fouling line would also explain why the Japanese ship made no attempt to pass behind the Ady Gil.
In the collision footage taken from the Shonan Maru 2 you can see, just after the collision, the line being trailed from the Starboard sponson.
Further investigation of the YouTube footage, shows a previous bow crossing performed by the Ady Gil, further suggesting that they were trying to employ a fouling line (see link below).
YouTube - Ady Gil Just Prior to being Rammed by Japanese Whalers
The trailing line can most clearly be seen in this footage at the 35 second mark.
Just after they cross the bow they decelarate, which would be consistent with trying to let the line pass under the keel.
The following footage confirms that they are towing a line.
YouTube - Sea Shepherd amazing effort 2009. Ady Gil
And here is something that the pilot fraternity can relate to, the Ady Gil uses lasers as well.
YouTube - Ady Gil Arrives in Antarctica 23.12.09
Note the narrative:
The Ady Gil utilise a photonic disrupter (laser), prop fouling stern line and a projectile firing launcher in these clips.
I wondered what use they had for a high speed vessel in the Southern Ocean.
My opinion is that the Ady Gil was making an attempt (second or subsequent) to tow a fouling line across the path of the Shonan Maru 2. Just prior to the collision they were making about 4 to 6 knots headway. They are seen to accelerate just prior to the collision, possibly in an attempt to cross the bow. The Shonan Maru 2 bears away to Port, leading to the collision.
No innocent parties there!
It would be consistent with past tactics if the Adi Gil was trying to drag a line across the bow of the Shonan Maru 2 in an attempt to foul the propellor or rudder.
The Ady Gil training a fouling line would also explain why the Japanese ship made no attempt to pass behind the Ady Gil.
In the collision footage taken from the Shonan Maru 2 you can see, just after the collision, the line being trailed from the Starboard sponson.
Further investigation of the YouTube footage, shows a previous bow crossing performed by the Ady Gil, further suggesting that they were trying to employ a fouling line (see link below).
YouTube - Ady Gil Just Prior to being Rammed by Japanese Whalers
The trailing line can most clearly be seen in this footage at the 35 second mark.
Just after they cross the bow they decelarate, which would be consistent with trying to let the line pass under the keel.
The following footage confirms that they are towing a line.
YouTube - Sea Shepherd amazing effort 2009. Ady Gil
And here is something that the pilot fraternity can relate to, the Ady Gil uses lasers as well.
YouTube - Ady Gil Arrives in Antarctica 23.12.09
Note the narrative:
The Ady Gil utilise a photonic disrupter (laser), prop fouling stern line and a projectile firing launcher in these clips.
I wondered what use they had for a high speed vessel in the Southern Ocean.
My opinion is that the Ady Gil was making an attempt (second or subsequent) to tow a fouling line across the path of the Shonan Maru 2. Just prior to the collision they were making about 4 to 6 knots headway. They are seen to accelerate just prior to the collision, possibly in an attempt to cross the bow. The Shonan Maru 2 bears away to Port, leading to the collision.
No innocent parties there!
Sea Shepherd and Ady Gil, the new style terrorists.
They should be locked up for what they are doing down there, it is against every law of the sea.
To tow a hawser across the path of another to try to disable it is a criminal act and should be treated with the full force of international law.
The interesting thing in the previous videos, apart from the anti boarding nets on the Jap whaler, is what would happen to the Ady Gil if the hawser did go into the screw of the whaler. From where it is fastened on the superstructure, it would either turn the Ady Gil over or it would be pulled apart.
Those people are as fanatical as a man boarding an aircraft with semtex in his undies.
They should be locked up for what they are doing down there, it is against every law of the sea.
To tow a hawser across the path of another to try to disable it is a criminal act and should be treated with the full force of international law.
The interesting thing in the previous videos, apart from the anti boarding nets on the Jap whaler, is what would happen to the Ady Gil if the hawser did go into the screw of the whaler. From where it is fastened on the superstructure, it would either turn the Ady Gil over or it would be pulled apart.
Those people are as fanatical as a man boarding an aircraft with semtex in his undies.
The Japanese fishermen are going about their valid work of farming the sea for sustainable food. Sustainable food that can be increased to feed many more..... on the other hand we have sea shepherd (that's the dip-wits that want to reduce the worlds population to less then a million) who just wants to have fun in all them expensive boats and not produce anything that actually feeds or cloths one single person...
Via the Barack Obama book, Dreams From My Father. Obama is in Kenya and wants to go on a safari. His Kenyan sister Auma chides him for behaving like a neo-colonialist. "Why should all that land be set aside for tourists when it could be used for farming? These wazungu care more about one dead elephant than they do for a hundred black children." Although he ends up going on safari, Obama has no answer to her question.
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Via the Barack Obama book, Dreams From My Father. Obama is in Kenya and wants to go on a safari. His Kenyan sister Auma chides him for behaving like a neo-colonialist. "Why should all that land be set aside for tourists when it could be used for farming? These wazungu care more about one dead elephant than they do for a hundred black children." Although he ends up going on safari, Obama has no answer to her question.
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umm cows/pigs/sheep/goats/roos/emus are farmed for human consumption, unless of course you are one of those big macho hunter types who goes off into the wilderness to stalk and hunt your own wild sheep.....
This whole thing is typically Japanese tbh. I don't trust those little fkrs one bit (nor does my ex 2/19 Battalion father...)
This whole thing is typically Japanese tbh. I don't trust those little fkrs one bit (nor does my ex 2/19 Battalion father...)
The son of a hero - a true diplomat and gentleman no less. Remember - if you're going to tar everyone in Japan with the same brush, don't complain when other countries do the same to Australia.
Fair argument about farming cows/pigs/sheep etc. But a lot of the fish consumed in Australia are caught in the wild from managed fisheries. At least animals caught in the wild have a bit of a chance.
I think of all the arguments against whaling, the only one that has any weight is the method by which the whales are killed.
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VH-XXX - isn't it? This isn't a wind up. Is 1000 minke whales a year not sustainable? In my mind it would make sense that there is level of whaling which would not have a significant impact on the population - thus that would be the "sustainable" level.
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Estimated population of the S. Minke is somewhere around 500 000 - 600 000. If I had that many cattle I'd be sending a few to the saleyards each year.
Aside from any opinion of the merits or otherwise of sustainable whaling, I think that what is going on is deplorable. As a pilot who also has some expereince of, and therefore a healthy respect for, the ocean, I am certain that the maritime environment, like the aviation environment, is potentially treacherous and unforgiving and there is no place in it for renegades, cowboys or others who treat it with less that the respect it deserves.
Aside from any opinion of the merits or otherwise of sustainable whaling, I think that what is going on is deplorable. As a pilot who also has some expereince of, and therefore a healthy respect for, the ocean, I am certain that the maritime environment, like the aviation environment, is potentially treacherous and unforgiving and there is no place in it for renegades, cowboys or others who treat it with less that the respect it deserves.
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If you had a farm covering a greater area than all the land on earth with that many cattle then you'd be seriously thinking about a new career. Not to say of course that whales should be packed into feed lots... but the ocean is a very large place.
I believe Cod numbers in the North Atlantic have achieved very little growth since they stopped being fished, most likely because of the likelihood of enough of the survivors meeting is quite low.
Respect for the ocean extends to what lives in it too. With the trawling example, which is an incredibly inefficient use of a fragile resource
I believe Cod numbers in the North Atlantic have achieved very little growth since they stopped being fished, most likely because of the likelihood of enough of the survivors meeting is quite low.
Respect for the ocean extends to what lives in it too. With the trawling example, which is an incredibly inefficient use of a fragile resource
OK... back to the topic!
The Japanese are hunting whales for 'research'.
A group of privateers are trying to stop them!
Australian aviation companies are hiring out their services to ... help themselves!
Pretty poor show really!
The Japanese are hunting whales for 'research'.
A group of privateers are trying to stop them!
Australian aviation companies are hiring out their services to ... help themselves!
Pretty poor show really!
mmmm Big ego trip, I think; roaring around in a pointy black painted hoon-boat with a skull and trident symbol on the side, yapping on the media all the time waving the high moral ground. Must be real boring when the Japs finally go home and you have to stop and become just another scruffy greenie.
Interesting to consider if the same mindset would lead to their helo interfering with passing VH-registerered aircraft trying to get close to their vessels ?
These things are just whales, not important stuff like sheep, guide dogs, etc..
Save the Rat...
Interesting to consider if the same mindset would lead to their helo interfering with passing VH-registerered aircraft trying to get close to their vessels ?
These things are just whales, not important stuff like sheep, guide dogs, etc..
Save the Rat...
Hmmm, the FBI got some worrys -
Together, eco-terrorists and animal rights extremists are one of the most serious domestic terrorism threats in the U.S. today…for several good reasons:
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Together, eco-terrorists and animal rights extremists are one of the most serious domestic terrorism threats in the U.S. today…for several good reasons:
- The sheer volume of their crimes (over 2,000 since 1979);
- The huge economic impact (losses of more than $110 million since 1979);
- The wide range of victims (from international corporations to lumber companies to animal testing facilities to genetic research firms); and
- Their increasingly violent rhetoric and tactics (one recent communiqué sent to a California product testing company said: “You might be able to protect your buildings, but can you protect the homes of every employee?”).
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Folks,
Without entering into the rights and wrongs of whaling generally, the real "cultural history" of Japanese large scale whaling is seldom talked about in these days of political correctness.
Firstly, before WW11, whale meat was not part of (and largely isn't now) the Japanese diet. Large scale whaling was established by the Allied occupation forces, as a source of food, when General Douglas MacArthur was the military governor of Japan --- nothing "cultural" or "historic" about it.
Secondly, for virtually the whole period since WW11, the civilian Government of Japan has been dominated by the Liberal Party, in reality a conservative party. As we have seen, in the past in Australia, (Queensland and Joe, for one) a thorough gerrymander can give a lot of power to small groups, whose desertion can bring a government down. Amazingly high subsidies for local rice and beef, and very strict agricultural import quotas are part of the picture, as Australian farmers well know.
That is what you have had in Japan for may years, a far right wing, fascist if you like, faction of the Liberal party, who have never accepted that Japan lost WW11. Loss of support of this far right faction would have brought the government down.
As opposition to the whaling gathered momentum in recent years, particularly in "Allied" countries, the one way that this political rump has been able to "maintain the rage", is by demanding and achieving the Government as a whole support continued whaling, and face down demands for a cessation of large scale whaling.
In short, continuation of Japanese whaling has got nothing to do with "farming the ocean", or more normal fishing, and everything to do with continuing a two finger salute to the Allied powers, who defeated Japan in WW11, and occupied it for many years afterwards.
Any of you, who have spent any time in Tokyo, will have seen the campaign buses of this party, with their loud speaker trucks, shouting the odds. If you understand the posters, or understand the loudspeakers, most of you would find it unflattering, and unpalatable. Unsurprisingly, the US and Australia are right at the pinnacle of the fascist hate list. Leaves the average militant Islamic fanatic's description of infidels for dead, as far as graphic language and images go.
Remember, there is little to nothing in Japanese school textbooks about a "military incident" that we call WW11, or the Manchurian invasion of the '30s. To this day, the majority Japanese population (I choose my words carefully) is probably one of the most xenophobic there is, both part of the reason for their success, and now their failure, as an economy.
Don't get me wrong, I have greatly enjoyed all the time I have spent in Japan, and still do, but we shouldn't be blinded to some important facts, in our thoughts for and against Japanese "industrial" whaling.
Tootle pip!!
Without entering into the rights and wrongs of whaling generally, the real "cultural history" of Japanese large scale whaling is seldom talked about in these days of political correctness.
Firstly, before WW11, whale meat was not part of (and largely isn't now) the Japanese diet. Large scale whaling was established by the Allied occupation forces, as a source of food, when General Douglas MacArthur was the military governor of Japan --- nothing "cultural" or "historic" about it.
Secondly, for virtually the whole period since WW11, the civilian Government of Japan has been dominated by the Liberal Party, in reality a conservative party. As we have seen, in the past in Australia, (Queensland and Joe, for one) a thorough gerrymander can give a lot of power to small groups, whose desertion can bring a government down. Amazingly high subsidies for local rice and beef, and very strict agricultural import quotas are part of the picture, as Australian farmers well know.
That is what you have had in Japan for may years, a far right wing, fascist if you like, faction of the Liberal party, who have never accepted that Japan lost WW11. Loss of support of this far right faction would have brought the government down.
As opposition to the whaling gathered momentum in recent years, particularly in "Allied" countries, the one way that this political rump has been able to "maintain the rage", is by demanding and achieving the Government as a whole support continued whaling, and face down demands for a cessation of large scale whaling.
In short, continuation of Japanese whaling has got nothing to do with "farming the ocean", or more normal fishing, and everything to do with continuing a two finger salute to the Allied powers, who defeated Japan in WW11, and occupied it for many years afterwards.
Any of you, who have spent any time in Tokyo, will have seen the campaign buses of this party, with their loud speaker trucks, shouting the odds. If you understand the posters, or understand the loudspeakers, most of you would find it unflattering, and unpalatable. Unsurprisingly, the US and Australia are right at the pinnacle of the fascist hate list. Leaves the average militant Islamic fanatic's description of infidels for dead, as far as graphic language and images go.
Remember, there is little to nothing in Japanese school textbooks about a "military incident" that we call WW11, or the Manchurian invasion of the '30s. To this day, the majority Japanese population (I choose my words carefully) is probably one of the most xenophobic there is, both part of the reason for their success, and now their failure, as an economy.
Don't get me wrong, I have greatly enjoyed all the time I have spent in Japan, and still do, but we shouldn't be blinded to some important facts, in our thoughts for and against Japanese "industrial" whaling.
Tootle pip!!
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Firstly, before WW11, whale meat was not part of (and largely isn't now) the Japanese diet. Large scale whaling was established by the Allied occupation forces, as a source of food, when General Douglas MacArthur was the military governor of Japan --- nothing "cultural" or "historic" about it.
I have found references to ancient and more modern evidence of whaling and dolphin hunting in the Jomon period but no reference to increase of whaling by post war Japan
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Blackhand, I think you'll find that Leadsled is basically correct. The Japs did do some very limited coastal whaling in days gone past (as another poster has pointed out), but it became very much commercial after WW2.
What I object to most strongly is their whaling (sorry, carrying out scientific research) in the southern hemisphere, raping and pillaging. Why not do that in their own waters? Oh, they've done that already, haven't they!
Let them go and they'll abuse any quota you give them, just as they did with their southern bluefin quotas in very recent years. They have fished out any area they can. They buy out the rights of Pacific countries then fish them dry, they have no sense of proportion.
As to whether or not it's sustainable, do we have to take anything and everything just because we can. It's not as if there is a shortage of protein in Japan.
With regards to the difference of slaughtering farm animals and whales; one group have been breed for that for a few thousand years. Also consider the method and time to death.
I don't know how some of you come to your conclusion, but to me both the SMH and the Jap vids show to me the ramming was deliberate.
All I can say is, go Sea Shepherd!
What I object to most strongly is their whaling (sorry, carrying out scientific research) in the southern hemisphere, raping and pillaging. Why not do that in their own waters? Oh, they've done that already, haven't they!
Let them go and they'll abuse any quota you give them, just as they did with their southern bluefin quotas in very recent years. They have fished out any area they can. They buy out the rights of Pacific countries then fish them dry, they have no sense of proportion.
As to whether or not it's sustainable, do we have to take anything and everything just because we can. It's not as if there is a shortage of protein in Japan.
With regards to the difference of slaughtering farm animals and whales; one group have been breed for that for a few thousand years. Also consider the method and time to death.
I don't know how some of you come to your conclusion, but to me both the SMH and the Jap vids show to me the ramming was deliberate.
All I can say is, go Sea Shepherd!
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Have you ever been out on a decent sized harbour for example Sydney Harbour? Regardless of any laws of sea, you will see hundreds of boats (powered and sail) giving way to larger less manouverable ships. The Ady Gil, one of the fastest ocean going boats on the planet, could have gotten out of the way of the Shonan Maru (sp?), but chose not to! They were deliberately causing a nuisance and I wouldn't be surprised if they were not quietly elated that the incident occured.
Anyone who thinks they can work out what the larger vessel was doing from the videos, has not been on a ship in heavy seas while it is heaving to and fro!
Anyone who thinks they can work out what the larger vessel was doing from the videos, has not been on a ship in heavy seas while it is heaving to and fro!