Aust' charter aircraft spying on Sea Shepherd
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Personally it’s the obvious lying that angers me. The claims that its "scientific research", and the manipulation of the IWC is rather unpleasant. Likewise the claims that it is culturally significant are incorrect from what I understand, with there only being a history of extremely small scale coastal whaling. From what I've read a lot of the motivation for Japan to continue whaling is a resistance to the perceived racism of the anti-whaling movement, which of course may be true.
I would hope that no one would condone the hunting of non-Minke whales, ie. Right, Blue, Humpback, etc, and the opposition of hunting these endangered species is probably the catalyst for the more general anti-whaling public sentiment.
On an aviation note though... 404's and PA31s over the South Pacific! That'd be exciting. One of those flights where you look at the engine instruments are little more frequently than usual. Is that Brisbane Oceanic down there?
I would hope that no one would condone the hunting of non-Minke whales, ie. Right, Blue, Humpback, etc, and the opposition of hunting these endangered species is probably the catalyst for the more general anti-whaling public sentiment.
On an aviation note though... 404's and PA31s over the South Pacific! That'd be exciting. One of those flights where you look at the engine instruments are little more frequently than usual. Is that Brisbane Oceanic down there?
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So the boat got hit and it looks like the Japs tried to avoid it, that's a good thing.
Back to the flying part though...... so what are the thoughts on a Chieftain (or similar) being so far out over water, I assume that is 100% legal, where else do such long over water flights take place in twins of this sort and what type of gear would you have on board? Sea Shepard were saying that you only have a few minutes to survive in the water once you're in it.
Back to the flying part though...... so what are the thoughts on a Chieftain (or similar) being so far out over water, I assume that is 100% legal, where else do such long over water flights take place in twins of this sort and what type of gear would you have on board? Sea Shepard were saying that you only have a few minutes to survive in the water once you're in it.
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You may find this video will clear up which direction the boat veered!
Perhaps they need to send a Dash 8 down to keep an eye on things.
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Would the crew have full immersion suits on?
I also assume CASA requires the same as NZ CAA in regards to twin engine flight over 200NM from land, life raft, survival kit, ELT on the raft, etc
I also assume CASA requires the same as NZ CAA in regards to twin engine flight over 200NM from land, life raft, survival kit, ELT on the raft, etc
You may find this video will clear up which direction the boat veered!
Considering the first part shows video taken from the M.V. Bob Barker which is moving right to left across the bow of Shonan Maru 2 the impression is given of SM2 turning right.
The video shot from the SM2 clearly shows the Ady Gil accelerating just before the impact. I note that the ultra reliable muppet watson claims the Adi Gil were reversing prior to impact...
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Who cares. Seriously
Sea shepherd claims "...we'll be looking to mess them over..." The Japanese take the prudent course of hiring aircraft to spot these sea shepherd terrorists so that they can avoid them and that is news...
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So Tasair are involved are they ? What's going to happen when one of their clapped out Navahos ditches 200 miles south of Hobart,who's going to pay for the search ? We tax payers shouldn't have to fork out for it.
It would be a suicide mission,I hope the pilots have their life insurance paid up and George is paying them danger money.
It would be a suicide mission,I hope the pilots have their life insurance paid up and George is paying them danger money.
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So Fred, do you prefer negative water temperatures with a limited chance of survival outside of a raft somewhere less than 10 minutes with your Epirb sunken somewhere on the ocean floor 2km below because you couldn't get the raft out in time with a potential wait of a day or two for a boat rescue, or would you prefer a forced landing in a hot desert in the shade with an ELT beside you, sitting in the shade sipping water from your first aid kit as you await rescue?
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a forced landing in a hot desert in the shade with an ELT beside you, sitting in the shade
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That's some seriously cold water down there though. There was an accident near NZ's Stewart Island some years ago (C402) and I remember seeing the chart for water temperature vs. survival time. They were only a degree or two away from having litterally minutes before they were helpless. I'd imagine that a bit further south would be a very lonely place to be floating.
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I apologize for veering from the aviation discussion. For those claiming the Japanese obviously diverted to hit the idiots in the Ady Gil: what happened prior to the commencement of the video edited by the anti-whalers?
Here's another version: Ady Gil tried to run across the bow of the whalers to scare the captain into changing course. Whaling ship Cpt can't see the Ady Gil after it disappears below the bow and turns starboard to avoid them by going behind where he thinks the Ady Gil will be. Ady Gil IOC (Idiot in Charge) decides he/she has done a nice job at scaring the whaling ship captain and cuts power (edited video starts about now). Crewman on the bow of the whaling boat radios to skipper that Ady Gil is stopped and make full rudder turn to port. Whaling ship doesn't maneuvre like a small boat.
The nuts on the Sea Shepherd won't be happy until one or more of them is "martyred". Revoke their Australian citizenship for piracy and see where they go from there.
Here's another version: Ady Gil tried to run across the bow of the whalers to scare the captain into changing course. Whaling ship Cpt can't see the Ady Gil after it disappears below the bow and turns starboard to avoid them by going behind where he thinks the Ady Gil will be. Ady Gil IOC (Idiot in Charge) decides he/she has done a nice job at scaring the whaling ship captain and cuts power (edited video starts about now). Crewman on the bow of the whaling boat radios to skipper that Ady Gil is stopped and make full rudder turn to port. Whaling ship doesn't maneuvre like a small boat.
The nuts on the Sea Shepherd won't be happy until one or more of them is "martyred". Revoke their Australian citizenship for piracy and see where they go from there.
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We eat cows/pigs/sheep/goats/roos/emus and the men and women from Nippon like seafood - what's the difference?
This whole thing is typically Japanese tbh. I don't trust those little fkrs one bit (nor does my ex 2/19 Battalion father...)
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They did turn
One thing to note in the Sea Shepherd video is the rear mast of the Shonan Maru. In the first few seconds it is visible to the left of the ships bridge then as the ship veers towards the Ady Gil it appears to the right of the bridge then as it hits the mast swings back to the left of the wheelhouse on the SM. Absolute proof in my book that the Japanese deliberately ran the Sea Shepherd boat down. They did not steer a straight course and most definitely turned towards a stationary Ady Gil.
As to people comparing eating whales with eating chicken or beef, when we kill cattle or chicken (slowly) with explosive tipped spears then maybe your comparison will make sense.
Do these chartered flights really have any hope of finding their target? The southern ocean is a biiiig place and sea shepherds boats could be anywhere.
As to people comparing eating whales with eating chicken or beef, when we kill cattle or chicken (slowly) with explosive tipped spears then maybe your comparison will make sense.
Do these chartered flights really have any hope of finding their target? The southern ocean is a biiiig place and sea shepherds boats could be anywhere.
I wouldn't choose either scenario, I guess my point was more about when did flying in piston twins become an unacceptable risk?
These things fly RPT/Chtr all over the place including over areas you probably wouldn't survive a forced landing.(eg the south west wilderness)
I think the risk is more psychological than actual.
These things fly RPT/Chtr all over the place including over areas you probably wouldn't survive a forced landing.(eg the south west wilderness)
I think the risk is more psychological than actual.
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I look at it like this.
To fly over Tasmania in a Chieftain, how long does that take, perhaps 50 minutes from one end to the other of which say 30+% is survivable terrain with a rescue chopper civillian or otherwise is within an hours flight from you?
Now compare that to flying around the Antartic where you're flying for 4+ hours where potentially 95% may not be survivable (as soon as you leave the Tassie coast, with no nearby rescue choppers, freezing temps, risky business with your raft, immersion suits and the odds against you.
It's serious flying and has it's risks. Being summer might reduce the risk with weather etc due icing so that's one bonus.
To fly over Tasmania in a Chieftain, how long does that take, perhaps 50 minutes from one end to the other of which say 30+% is survivable terrain with a rescue chopper civillian or otherwise is within an hours flight from you?
Now compare that to flying around the Antartic where you're flying for 4+ hours where potentially 95% may not be survivable (as soon as you leave the Tassie coast, with no nearby rescue choppers, freezing temps, risky business with your raft, immersion suits and the odds against you.
It's serious flying and has it's risks. Being summer might reduce the risk with weather etc due icing so that's one bonus.
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I thought the Oceanic Viking was supposed to be there keeping an eye on things. Like how Garrett and Rudd said they would pre election...oh, hang on...its in Freo at the mo, maybe finally on its way after a slight delay.
At least the Sea Shepherd people are doing something. Garrett used to sing "do you want to be a doer or a talker" he also sang "I open my mouth and some idiot speaks" ..so sick of the hypocrisy. You can apply a Midnight Oil lyric to prove his hypocrisy in just about anything he says these days.
At least the Sea Shepherd people are doing something. Garrett used to sing "do you want to be a doer or a talker" he also sang "I open my mouth and some idiot speaks" ..so sick of the hypocrisy. You can apply a Midnight Oil lyric to prove his hypocrisy in just about anything he says these days.