Gippsland Aero sold to Indian company
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Bring this forward
Now if I get this right the Indians have bought GA. GA owns the manufacturing rights to the WELL TESTED nomad.
The scenario is now that the Indians will sell the WELL TESTED nomad to the Australian Army Aviation and RAAF as a replacemnet for the Caribou.
Being a developing country India gets preferential treatment and we get the WELL TESTED nomad.
Now thats a fairy tale (unfortunately it may very well come true)
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The scenario is now that the Indians will sell the WELL TESTED nomad to the Australian Army Aviation and RAAF as a replacemnet for the Caribou.
Being a developing country India gets preferential treatment and we get the WELL TESTED nomad.
Now thats a fairy tale (unfortunately it may very well come true)
Merry Christmas to all a Pprune, I enjoy the argy bargy of this forum
Does that mean the Airvan is now a Curry van? 
The scenario is now that the Indians will sell the WELL TESTED nomad to the Australian Army Aviation and RAAF as a replacemnet for the Caribou.
HA! Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
ROLFMAO!
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Sorry! Had a bit of a moment there!
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noone in this country is prepared to invest in anything
a long succession of governments (of both flavours) has a lot to answer for in respect of their national abandonment of aviation ...
a long succession of governments (of both flavours) has a lot to answer for in respect of their national abandonment of aviation ...
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Don't really care how much they got. There are far bigger freeloaders than aviation manufacturing companies. No, Australia doesn't deserve any kind of manufacturing because it doesn't support it. If one does well they get cut down by their own, isn't that the Australian way? Proof right here on Pprune.
Don't just blame the govt either. It's a national disease. Shame.
Don't just blame the govt either. It's a national disease. Shame.
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Sprocket Check, you are definitely on to it. We deserve what we get because as soon as someone gets it together with a half reasonable product, we commence to tear it down. What the f..k is wrong with this country that we cant appreciate that we do have world class technical and engineering skills. Why do we always seem to drag down our innovators, imaginators (my term), and inventors, in favour of political expediency and being seen to be a faithful servant to the great bwana overseas, roughly north-east of where I am sitting. Sick of it, Black Box, DME, and christ knows what else has disappeared into some other Treasury because we have not had the guts to stand up for ourselves and protect our intellectual property............Rant over!
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Having lived and worked amongst them, I learnt enough to know I'll never get into anything designed, built, crewed, maintained, wired, plumbed, painted, delivered, driven, owned, financed, favoured or recommended by indians.
that about covers it.Hey Theth ya old bastard. hows stuff?.
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The principal reason for the move is they were just hamstrung by CASA interference and bloody mindedness so the move to another country where they can proplerly develop the range of GA aircraft.
Typical of the problems were the protracted difficulties getting the underslung cargo pod certified by CASA, it didn't happen and ultimately the pod was certified in the US, the fitment of the Turbo Charged piston engine was also a major drama when in reality it should have taken hours to approve, it still is not certified as I understand the situation, but ready to be corrected if indeed sense has happened and it is all go.
The whole history of the CASA intervention is a tale of incompetence and woeful regulatory impost.
Good on them for moving and getting some of their reward in cash for the effort they have put in, sad that yet another Australian Aviation ICON goes else where, the CT 4 was a similar debacle and the KIWI's fixed it.
Typical of the problems were the protracted difficulties getting the underslung cargo pod certified by CASA, it didn't happen and ultimately the pod was certified in the US, the fitment of the Turbo Charged piston engine was also a major drama when in reality it should have taken hours to approve, it still is not certified as I understand the situation, but ready to be corrected if indeed sense has happened and it is all go.
The whole history of the CASA intervention is a tale of incompetence and woeful regulatory impost.
Good on them for moving and getting some of their reward in cash for the effort they have put in, sad that yet another Australian Aviation ICON goes else where, the CT 4 was a similar debacle and the KIWI's fixed it.
Doing anything constructive apart from mining and property development is just too hard for any State or Federal Government to understand. What then happens is that all Governments then adopt what I call "Conventional Wisdom", which is a combination of a lack of vision plus some self serving comments by various industry players.
The victims of this "Conventional Wisdom" include:
- The Victa Airtourer - Cessna and Piper dumped (in the economic sense) aircraft to kill it and the Federal Government refused to intervene, the conventional wisdom being "Australia doesn't have the economy of scale to build aircraft".
- The Nomad.
- Ansett Airlines - Conventional wisdom "Australia is only big enough to support one airline".
And now Gippsland Aviation.
I would imagine that GA was sunk by a combination of Three things:
1. Total lack of interest by both State and Federal Government, but primarily state, knowing one of the people who would have been concerned and also from hearing comments by one of GA's owners some years ago about their total lack of meaningful help.
2. CASA's total obfuscation towards certifying anything at all, and it's seeming determination to suppress or destroy General Aviation activity other than training airline fodder.
3. A financial sector that doesn't understand financing anything other than mines or property development.
I suspect that (3) was probably the main issue because GA would have to have been looking for finance if it wanted to build the Nomad. Gippsland Aviation may even have been "shopped around" by its current financiers and then had the rug pulled out from under it when Mahindra made the offer, but I really wouldn't know.
To be fair, every time something gets sold to a foreigner an Australian has sold it. But from what I saw of the place, the owners had fought the good fight against impossible odds, and deserve to make a quid out of this.. They had had a measure of success, but without a little support and encouragement from the Government and CASA, they were never going to succeed against the entrenched vested interests that guard the foreign aircraft markets, and without a lot of export earnings you cannot win.
I worked out that last bit when I was working for Government. No Australian company that wants to make "elaborately transformed manufactures" (ie aircraft, computers etc.) can survive without having a strong international market share. There are a few that can do this, but not if the Government keeps putting barriers in your path.
The victims of this "Conventional Wisdom" include:
- The Victa Airtourer - Cessna and Piper dumped (in the economic sense) aircraft to kill it and the Federal Government refused to intervene, the conventional wisdom being "Australia doesn't have the economy of scale to build aircraft".
- The Nomad.
- Ansett Airlines - Conventional wisdom "Australia is only big enough to support one airline".
And now Gippsland Aviation.
I would imagine that GA was sunk by a combination of Three things:
1. Total lack of interest by both State and Federal Government, but primarily state, knowing one of the people who would have been concerned and also from hearing comments by one of GA's owners some years ago about their total lack of meaningful help.
2. CASA's total obfuscation towards certifying anything at all, and it's seeming determination to suppress or destroy General Aviation activity other than training airline fodder.
3. A financial sector that doesn't understand financing anything other than mines or property development.
I suspect that (3) was probably the main issue because GA would have to have been looking for finance if it wanted to build the Nomad. Gippsland Aviation may even have been "shopped around" by its current financiers and then had the rug pulled out from under it when Mahindra made the offer, but I really wouldn't know.
To be fair, every time something gets sold to a foreigner an Australian has sold it. But from what I saw of the place, the owners had fought the good fight against impossible odds, and deserve to make a quid out of this.. They had had a measure of success, but without a little support and encouragement from the Government and CASA, they were never going to succeed against the entrenched vested interests that guard the foreign aircraft markets, and without a lot of export earnings you cannot win.
I worked out that last bit when I was working for Government. No Australian company that wants to make "elaborately transformed manufactures" (ie aircraft, computers etc.) can survive without having a strong international market share. There are a few that can do this, but not if the Government keeps putting barriers in your path.