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Merged: Pel-Air Westwind Ditching off NLK

Old 20th Nov 2009, 14:03
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Would have done it differently???


Carried fuel for an alternate and used it to go there.
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Old 20th Nov 2009, 17:07
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Ah, the time it consumes, reading all 188 posts. So many repetitive. So many puerile, vacuous and typical of PPRuNe blather at it's most gruelling.

(Better keeping trap shut and being thought idiot, than opening same, resulting in no doubt whatever.)
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Old 20th Nov 2009, 17:33
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You sound suspiciously like a never-has-been wannabe pilot who is jealous with the angle the media are taking on this particular event.

Your vexatious, purile and unsubstatiated personal observations obviously stem from your irrelevant existence somewhere in the 'western suburbs' where you view persons who live more eastwards from you and who happen to be more physically appealing than you, with jealous contempt.

You purport to be an expert on aviation procedures and privy to some inside information yet you seem to be consumed by a personal vendetta agenda that exposes you as a fraud.

Get back in your hole D**k Head and wait for the true factors of this event to be revealed.


0900/21 - I see you have deleted your highly defamatory and self serving post - the first evidence of commonsense you have displayed.

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Old 20th Nov 2009, 19:33
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From the news reports of last night, I noted with interest the comments from the patient's husband ..

he was surprised that the ditching itself was not as bad as he expected impact wise, but the cabin filled with water very quickly as the door blew in, and they all escaped through an emergency window.

As for the lady herself being a walk on patient - barely and only with considerable assistance.
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Old 20th Nov 2009, 20:53
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The opening mechanism for the Westwind door swings it inside about six inches, before then allowing it to swing out. When I heard of the ditching, I was amazed that they were able to open the door against the water pressure - obviously they weren't!
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Old 20th Nov 2009, 20:58
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Guessing here, that as the life raft would have been too big to pass through the escape window, and as there wasn't any hope of opening the door outward due water pressure, that ends the discussion about non deployment of the raft regardless of where it was?
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Old 20th Nov 2009, 21:06
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The liferaft isn't that big, nor the Westwind emergency exit that small...
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Old 20th Nov 2009, 21:07
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Dear A1322, that diversion of the GG's RAAF 737 BBJ, happened months before the incident of the PelAir ditching off NLK.
The reason for the GG's diversion was the pilot of the RAAF 737 BBJ had to battle 45+ kts cross winds, and 3 missed approaches. BUT the to the amazement of the RAAF pilots, the RPT Our Airline 737 made 1 approach and successfully landed 5 minutes after the RAAF had diverted. The RAAF pilots couldnt believe that the Our Airline 737 landed on the island.
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Old 20th Nov 2009, 21:12
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I guess we must accept the Board Chairman's explanation, however given a similar set of circumstances - no Mayday call, only three in lifejackets, no life rafts, ditching two miles off shore - I think it would be natural to assume the pilot may have been attempting a home made "precision" approach during which the aircraft unintentionally impacted the sea and the lack of motion lotion may or may not be correct.
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Old 20th Nov 2009, 22:00
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“This is right at the gold medal level for aviation … if he’s not a hero already he is well on his way to being one,”

Yeah? We'll see.
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Old 20th Nov 2009, 22:18
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Yeah? We'll see

Wish I'd thought of it!!
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Old 20th Nov 2009, 22:52
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what's the legal (cao 82, operator ops manual, jepp or dap) and PRACTICAL alternate min for this aerodrome???????
Anywhere within the range of the aircraft providing it is not an aerodrome on a "remote island" which would require an alternate.
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Old 20th Nov 2009, 22:52
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Second hand, but from someone who was onboard the aircraft:

-There was no advance warning of a ditching.
-The main door was opened (not sure by whom), at which point the aircraft began to sink quickly, everyone exited through the emergency exit.
-All occupants well, apart from some seat belt bruising.
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Old 20th Nov 2009, 22:53
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Here ( as predicted by one very wise PPRUNER above ) is the first sign of a turn in the media :

The pilot hailed a hero for ditching his plane safely off Norfolk Island this week may have been dangerously negligent after reportedly making the journey without enough fuel.
Captain Dominic James was praised for his "amazing" efforts in saving all six people on board the Pel-Air and Careflight jet on Wednesday night after bad weather thwarted several landing attempts on the island.
The medical evacuation plane, on its way from Samoa to Melbourne, was very low on fuel when Captain James safely landed it onto seas off the island.
But a new report has cast doubt the pilot's heroism with claims Captain James may have taken off from Apia with inadequate levels of fuel to make the journey.
The report on the Crikey website said the plane failed "to meet the requirements of the catch-all section of Civil Aviation Order CAO 82.0 (2.4), which relates to fuel reserves".
The claim could have serious consequences for Captain James and Pel-Air's owner REX, which was recently awarded lucrative medical aviation contracts, the report said.
The carrier has previously admitted the pilot ditched the plane into the sea without making a Mayday call, which goes against aviation regulations.
Earlier this week Pel-Air Aviation chairman John Sharp said he was very proud of Captain James — a former Cleo Bachelor of the Year contestant — and first officer.
"Their professionalism stood out on the day and made a substantial difference to the outcome," Mr Sharp said.
"They executed what would have to be described as a perfect landing on water," he told reporters.
Someone suggested praying, yes, I guess you could pray he keeps his licence and Pelair keep their AOC......if they deserve to
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Old 20th Nov 2009, 23:15
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But...but......he's a Cleo Batchelor of the Year!!!
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Old 20th Nov 2009, 23:30
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TV star Simone Jade McKinnon pregnant to hero pilot Dominic James | The Daily Telegraph

THE hero pilot who saved the lives of his five passengers including a critically-injured woman is expecting a baby with his former girlfriend, TV favourite Simone Jade McKinnon.
Dominic James, the 33-year-old former Cleo Bachelor of the Year who on Wednesday was forced to ditch his aircraft in waters off Norfolk Island, only learned of McKinnon's pregnancy shortly after they broke up.

While sources close to the expectant parents declined to comment on the relationship, McKinnon revealed this month there was no doubt the father of her child would play a role in the baby's life.

She starred in Channel 9's McLeod's Daughters and was this year nominated for a Gold Logie.

Australia's Next Top Model mentor Jonathon Pease said that James - his friend of 20 years - was taking the near-death incident "in his stride".

"When I read about the accident, I thought 'That's typical Dom.' He's the man I'd want next to me in a crisis. He's a legend," Pease said.

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His eligible bachelor status was also enshrined, his mate said.

"If he's not the most eligible bachelor after that, I don't know what you've got to do?"

But as his heroics were being praised yesterday, questions were being asked about how the aircraft ran out of fuel while enroute to Melbourne from Samoa.

Online aviation industry forums were rife with questions about whether the aircraft's operator Pel-Air faces sanctions by the Civil Aviation Safety Authority.

Industry sources were staggered that the aircraft could be left without sufficient fuel to fly to an alternative destination.

Pel-Air would not address allegations it had not met aviation regulations. "The pilot complied with the company operations manual," is all the company said in a statement.

Pel-Air also confirmed the aircraft had been equipped with seven lifejackets, even though only three passengers were able to access them in time. The group was left floating in the water, huddled around those lucky enough to be wearing lifejackets.

There were also two liferafts on board the plane, capable of carrying six people each.

The remaining lifejackets, and both liferafts, sank with the aircraft three minutes after it hit the water.

Mr James has not spoken publicly about the incident since returning to Sydney, but friends said he was taking it in his stride.

The president of the Young Variety Club, which is holding a festive fundraiser next weekend, was quick to tell organisers: "Don't worry, I'll be right to go in the Santa Fun Run".

He has used his celebrity connections in his fundraising, calling on mates like Pease, Laura Csortan and Lizzy Lovette to volunteer their time.
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Old 21st Nov 2009, 00:11
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Wonder if he'll show us..."Magnum"?
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Old 21st Nov 2009, 00:18
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Was going to suggest that NLK needs a GNSS approach apart from the useless SCAT approach but a check of the AIP shows a GNSS approach for runways 04, 11 and 29.

Higher minima than the VOR but at least the runway 11 approach is now runway aligned, with the missed approach the same heading, (107 degrees). Much better than the runway 11 VOR's 15 degree offset

About time!! (Too many pages to read to see if this have been mentioned before).

The plate is anointed NEW PROC and dated 19 NOV 2009.

Has any mention been made of the type of approaches that were attempted?
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Old 21st Nov 2009, 00:19
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Theres a TV series in this somewhere you know....
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Old 21st Nov 2009, 00:30
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An episode of "Big Sky" perhaps.

Martin Henderson could play Dominic ...

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